Footballing misconceptions which are never likely to be corrected

[Rogin the Armchair fan]

If you get the ball it's not a foul.

[Kevin S]

Away goals count double.

Aha! Interesting one, this, because that is actually how the EFL describe the operation of away goals as a tie-breaker in the Carabao Cup Semi Finals:

14.5 In the Semi-Final ties, if the aggregate score is level at the end of the second game an extra half-hour shall be played. If the aggregate scores are still level at the end of extra time the tie shall be decided by goals scored away from home counting twice. If the teams remain equal after this procedure the tie shall be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark in accordance with procedures as approved by IFAB.

https://www.efl.com/clubs-and-compet...--regulations/

Even though the 'proper' way of doing it (and probably how the score is recorded, though I haven't checked) is just to say Team X 'wins on the away goals rule.'

[Kevin S]

Which in itself is inconsistent with the rules the EFL use for the Playoffs:

2.4 In the Semi-Finals, the first leg shall be of 90 (ninety) minutes duration. If the aggregate scores are level at the end of 90 (ninety) minutes in the second leg, extra time will be played. If the scores remain level at the end of extra time the tie will be determined by the taking of kicks from the penalty mark, in accordance with the Laws of Association Football.

They are a funny lot, that Football League, aren't they.

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

Aha! Interesting one, this, because that is actually how the EFL describe the operation of away goals as a tie-breaker in the Carabao Cup Semi Finals:


https://www.efl.com/clubs-and-compet...--regulations/

Even though the 'proper' way of doing it (and probably how the score is recorded, though I haven't checked) is just to say Team X 'wins on the away goals rule.'

On American TV coverage of the 1990 World Cup, when say West Germany beat England on penalties (to pick the example that unfortunately I remember most clearly), they showed the final score as 2-1.

[ursus arctos]

kicker still do that, as evidenced by their report on last night’s FA Cup tie

[Patrick Thistle]

England beat Germany in the 1966 World Cup Final

[Walt Flanagans Dog]

kicker still do that, as evidenced by their report on last night’s FA Cup tie

What I meant was they counted the entire penalty shoot out win as a single goal - so in that example again it would have been shown as Chelsea 2-1 Norwich.

[Stumpy Pepys]

Players hanging in the air.

[ursus arctos]

Sorry about that, WFD.

That is even more barmy than the kicker method.

[ad hoc]

Doesnt that US thing come from the way ice hockey (the "big" North American sport that has a sort of penalty shoot out decider) is reported?

[ursus arctos]

We didn't have shootouts in ice hockey in 1990.

[G-Man]

England beat Germany in the 1966 World Cup Final

Ha! Yeah, Hurst's three goals all shouldn't have stood. But, fair play to the Germans, they might have queried the third goal, but never claimed a "moral victory".

[Satchmo Distel]

Oddly, away goals "count double" is in the FIFA laws but not UEFA's competition rules. See footnotes 1 and 7: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Away_goals_rule

[Rogin the Armchair fan]

If away goals do count double then should, let's say, Ray Kennedy's in 1981 against Bayern Munich count as 2 not 1?

[ad hoc]

We didn't have shootouts in ice hockey in 1990.

Ah. Are they a relatively recent thing then? Or have they come and gone a few times?

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

That A striker who needs five chances to score a goal, is in some way deficient, rather than operating at the cutting edge of accuracy and efficiency

[ursus arctos]

The NHL introduced the shootout for regular season games in the mid-2000s, having previously introduced a 5 minute overtime in the mid 80s. When I was a kid, there was no overtime and draws/ties were as acceptable a result as they are in football. The idea was/is that they are less acceptable in the non-traditional hockey markets in the south and west that the NHL was targeting.

Playoff games still go to sudden death overtime, with a theoretically unlimited number of periods possible.

[Patrick Thistle]

Ha! Yeah, Hurst's three goals all shouldn't have stood. But, fair play to the Germans, they might have queried the third goal, but never claimed a "moral victory".

I think you misread my post. England didn’t beat the whole of Germany.

[Snake Plissken]

Aha! Interesting one, this, because that is actually how the EFL describe the operation of away goals as a tie-breaker in the Carabao Cup Semi Finals:


https://www.efl.com/clubs-and-compet...--regulations/

Even though the 'proper' way of doing it (and probably how the score is recorded, though I haven't checked) is just to say Team X 'wins on the away goals rule.'

FUCKING TOTTENHAM.

[3 Colours Red]

Mickey Thomas scored the winner against Arsenal.

No, that was the equaliser - Steve Watkin made it 2-1.

[Jah Womble]

FUCKING TOTTENHAM.

Agree - stupid ruling. Having scored at WHL, Burnley should've gone through on ninety minutes.

[Bored Of Education]

Certainly seems to be, yes – I refer you to your own post of exactly this in the magnificent OTF Football Dictionary thread, Bored.

Bloody hell, at least, I attributed t'lovely Mrs De Galles this time.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

Ha! Yeah, Hurst's three goals all shouldn't have stood. But, fair play to the Germans, they might have queried the third goal, but never claimed a "moral victory".

Seriously, how many germans would know anything about the 1966 world cup final? it was a long time ago, and german teams have been in half the world cup finals since. I mean it must be difficult to keep them all straight in their heads at this point. This one will probably be remembered as the one in black and white that they didn't win.

[Bored Of Education]

Everyone in Scotland's favourite second team is Partick Thistle. (It's their reserve team, if they have one.)

Kevin Keegan's Newcastle team (Mk 1) were everyone's favourite team.

Newcastle's supporters are/were the best in the land.

[Various Artist]

Bloody hell, at least, I attributed t'lovely Mrs De Galles this time.

Heheh. Her royalty cheque's in the post, I trust?