Is Trickett saying contractors don't make losses without going bankrupt? That's pretty obviously rubbish. Chakraborty said that too.
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Carillion ran the facilities and services at a place I worked ('09 to '15). Always got the impression that 'they' had no real idea what they were doing, or if 'they' did they had no idea how they would go about it. By 'they' I mean the on and off site management. I got the impression (probably wrong) that Carillion bid for the contract, won it, and then hoped for the best in delivering the services.
The management structure seemed skewed. Too many layers, decisions not being made at a local level and being deferred up, ensuring delays, ineffectiveness and inefficiencies. Bit of a shambles from my perspective. In fact, from everyone's perspective, including their own workers.
Of course the workers are the real losers here. I just hope that the blokes I had daily contact with can get a job that rewards their skills and competencies and have decent T&C's
Carillion's industrial relations were a disgrace on site (and I imagine company policy, so everywhere). Their workers used to come to me and other shop stewards for advice, information and guidance as the company I worked for had a recognition agreement with Unite. Unsurprisingly Carillion didn't.Last edited by NickSTFU; 15-01-2018, 20:28.
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Originally posted by NickSTFU View PostCarillion ran the facilities and services at a place I worked ('09 to '15). Always got the impression that 'they' had no real idea what they were doing, or if 'they' did they had no idea how they would go about it. By 'they' I mean the on and off site management. I got the impression (probably wrong) that Carillion bid for the contract, won it, and then hoped for the best in delivering the services.
The management structure seemed skewed. Too many layers, decisions not being made at a local level and being deferred up, ensuring delays, ineffectiveness and inefficiencies. Bit of a shambles from my perspective. In fact, from everyone's perspective, including their own workers.
Of course the workers are the real losers here. I just hope that the blokes I had daily contact with can get a job that rewards their skills and competencies and have decent T&C's
Carillion's industrial relations were a disgrace on site (and I imagine company policy, so everywhere). Their workers used to come to me and other shop stewards for advice, information and guidance as the company I worked for had a receptionist agreement with Unite. Unsurprisingly Carillion didn't.
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I've a friend who's a fairly high earning surveyor or somesuch for them, he'll be one of those that gets paid until Wednesday. I'm sure he'll be OK picking something similar up, but if not it will serve him right for voting Tory all his life. He's not a close friend, as you can probably gather. Anyway I voted for Blair/Brown who set the wheels in motion, so fuck me too.
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Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View PostIs Trickett saying contractors don't make losses without going bankrupt? That's pretty obviously rubbish. Chakraborty said that too.
And costs like eg protection of the pensions will fall on the state.
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Originally posted by NickSTFU View PostI got the impression (probably wrong) that Carillion bid for the contract, won it, and then hoped for the best in delivering the services.
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Anyway the way they made money was saving on delivery. Which meant cutting wages and conditions getting rid of Long term staff and casualising, . They ran blacklists in the building trade and did t encourage unions.
Reminder that Germany has trade unions on the board of most companies
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Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View PostAnyway the way they made money was saving on delivery. Which meant cutting wages and conditions getting rid of Long term staff and casualising, . They ran blacklists in the building trade and did t encourage unions.
Reminder that Germany has trade unions on the board of most companies
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Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View PostBut losses are made all the time by contactors. Today I saw a National Audit Office report on Govia. They've made a loss. Abellio did on Scotrail. Stagecoach have on the East Coast Mainline. That's just trains.
Losses don't generally get socialized.
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Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View PostI think that's part of it, and we need to boost workers rights and board level representation. But equally competition often spurs genuine improvement. My brother in law is a rail engineer. He much prefers working for a contractor to working for Network Rail.
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Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View PostThere are all kinds of reasons why he might prefer it. The sandwiches might be better. Network rail is the worst of all worlds I imagine.
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Tubby getting increasingly pro Virgin/
Where's the lie? Corbyn speaks of "the 2 billion public bailout of Richard Branson's Virgin and Stagecoach for their failure to run the East Coast line properly" That Virgin East Coast were saved or "bailed out" from paying 2 billion is what the FT says too
The government has now stepped in, kindly offering to mop up the red ink and cancel the franchise contract three years early. Transport secretary Chris Grayling insists it’s not a bailout, despite the fact that his intervention will spare Virgin the agony of writing the £2bn cheque it had promised over the final punchiest leg of the franchise. In return, the owners may have to cough up no more than a £165m parent guarantee.n practice, however, a bailout is precisely what Mr Grayling has delivered. True, the East Coast franchise has conked out twice before. But in both cases the owners formally defaulted. When National Express handed back the keys in 2009, it was banned from further franchise bids for three years, with the franchise scooped into a state-owned company that actually did rather well.
The result is not only an extraordinarily advantageous outcome for Virgin and Stagecoach, who otherwise faced heavy losses. It also raises serious questions about the credibility of franchise auctions — the main competitive tool the government uses both to keep franchise owners honest and to legitimise private-sector profits.Last edited by Nefertiti2; 15-01-2018, 21:24.
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