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    The London Stadium drops to 57,000 capacity if the crowd needs to be segregated.

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    It's been dropping a lot lower than that around the hour mark this season.

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    The current edition of World Soccer has a useful flowchart graphically visualising all the permutations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diable Rouge View Post
    The current edition of World Soccer has a useful flowchart graphically visualising all the permutations.
    Thanks for the heads-up on this - have now bought the September edition and am now (slightly) less confused about the whole process.

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    I caught up with Spain v Croatia and Sweden v Turkey last night. Croatia were slightly on top until Spain scored. Saśl is a huge plus for Spain. There seemed to be more quick movement and interchanging in this Spain side than I've seen for a while, but Croatia left the flanks exposed, in which they ran amok. Turkey was all about the impact of Emre Akbaba on the game, and Sweden sitting back too much expecting Turkey to just pass it around aimlessly.

    Kosovo getting to the finals might justify the change of format.
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    A good guide to Euro 2020 seeding ramifications. The top League D side does have the advantage of going into Pot 4, whilst the bottom 2 League A sides are in Pot 2 and the bottom 4 League B teams get Pot 3, which is a huge loss for them:

    https://www.footballseeding.com/inte...nts/euro-2020/

    This does mean that "deliberately playing badly" is not the serious risk I assumed it was. The penalty of dropping into Pot C far outweighs the benefit of an easier Nations League draw next time.
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    Looking ahead two years, I'm not sure how they can blend this into a WC qualifying format that will only produce 13 qualifiers. The old system would presumably fit 8 groups of 6 and one of 7 with the winners qualifying plus 4 teams from play-offs, but a truncated March-Nov calendar would make that hard to do.

    Looking ahead 4 years, they presumably cannot play Nations League in 2022 because the WC starts in November.

    So although the Nations League may be a qualified success this Autumn, the timing is bad.

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    I'd assumed that the next Nations League run in 2020 would just be a glorified series of friendlies with no qualification on the line, as we've only 13 World Cup spots to fill, but 24 Euros spots obviously leaves a lot more room for mucking around. Bbut it's not clear. And yeh, a 2022 Nations League would presumably have to be bumped into early 2023. Possibly, maybe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
    Looking ahead two years, I'm not sure how they can blend this into a WC qualifying format that will only produce 13 qualifiers. The old system would presumably fit 8 groups of 6 and one of 7 with the winners qualifying plus 4 teams from play-offs, but a truncated March-Nov calendar would make that hard to do.

    Looking ahead 4 years, they presumably cannot play Nations League in 2022 because the WC starts in November.

    So although the Nations League may be a qualified success this Autumn, the timing is bad.
    1 Longer term: reduce 55 teams to 16 qualifiers (from 2026) with either

    9 groups (8x6 + 1x7*, winners qualify along with 4 teams from League A, 2 from League B and one from League C), or

    10 groups (5x6 + 5x5, winners qualify along with 4 teams from League A, 2 from League B, or

    11 groups (11x5, winners qualify along with 4 teams from League A, 1 from League B

    * 7 team groups are too unwieldy so this format looks unlikely even if it wasn't bonkers per se

    2 Short term for 2022: suspend NL?

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    16 UEFA qualifiers for the next one don't forget

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    I think it would be hugely controversial to give World Cup places based on Nations League games. It would be a much bigger game changer than 4 out of 24 Euro slots.

    My understanding, as per Sean's post, is that the League would just be used to determine seedings in the qualifying draw in World Cup cycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duncan Gardner View Post
    2 Short term for 2022: suspend NL?
    I know that the Dutch haven't exactly played well lately, but this seems a bit harsh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
    I think it would be hugely controversial to give World Cup places based on Nations League games. It would be a much bigger game changer than 4 out of 24 Euro slots.

    My understanding, as per Sean's post, is that the League would just be used to determine seedings in the qualifying draw in World Cup cycles
    Aren't the alternatives either

    1) a need for play-offs (difficult to fit into the timetable) or

    2) eight groups so that 16 teams can progress (which means oversize groups, ie 7x7 + 1x6 as referred above)
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    Or use the Nations League as pre-qualifiers. Group A, group B and the top half of Group C go into the WC qualifying groups. Boom. You've got rid of the meaningless qualifier games that are all about boosting goal difference.

    Nations League then continues for the C/D teams to enable them to decide who's in Group C for the next Euros.

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    But I suspect those Group D teams are relying on the occasional game against a Group A or B side, which is why we don't already have pre-Qualifiers.

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    Sorry I confused the dates above. The problem arises with Nations League 2022- there's no time slot because of the Qatar WC Finals. So qualifying for Euro 24 will have to include either a play-off or countback to reduce the 54 teams to 23. If the former they'll need to fit in an extra window somehow

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    The Nations League group phase could perhaps be played in May-June 2022. I can't see any other way that you could fit this year's format around the World Cup.

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    The Daily Star has described this weekend's England games as "crunch Nations League qualifiers", surely the first time anyone's used that phrase - even in print - without laughing out loud.

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    I hadn't realised the Croatia England game was behind closed doors. Does that mean it's just going to be Jonathan Pearce, and the occasional burst of Gareth Southgate's pitchside utterances?

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    Tranmere v Macclesfield on at the same time as the England game. Got to admire whoever scheduled that.

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    Russia v Sweden is on US TV at 3.45 EST. I must say I am not tempted. Croatia v England is too soon after the World Cup.

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    Scotland seem to have the weakest group in their tier and thus a good chance of a play-off, but Serbia look the strongest side in the tier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
    Scotland seem to have the weakest group in their tier and thus a good chance of a play-off, but Serbia look the strongest side in the tier.
    As last night reminded everyone, we're capable of making even a weak group look like our draw in Mexico 86 (W.Germany-Denmark-Uruguay).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Thistle View Post
    Tranmere v Macclesfield on at the same time as the England game. Got to admire whoever scheduled that.
    During the World Cup, I was told in no uncertain terms that nobody on Merseyside gives a flying one about England - so I guess that this further strengthens that point.

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