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    I really don't want to be 'that' guy, but

    At the same time, if some men are going to be collateral damage in the struggle to root out sexist abuses and bring down patriarchy, then that must be so.
    cannot be the standard to which all of the necessary attention, should be ... yeah, that one.

    Sorry G. It took me a while to answer, but with one remark, you are... leaving the door open.

    I have an ex, who was hounded for 'this type of thing', and he was only let loose, when I was brought as a witness.

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      Yeah, sure, obviously there are cases of injustice which are unfair and horrible. What I meant is that given the choice between fighting abuse and patriarchy, or not fighting abuse and patriarchy because there will be cases of unfairness affecting innocent parties, then the former is the better option.

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        At a conference the women in question would have a pretty high standard of English surely? Hardly likely to be pre-int's.

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          Oh absolutely, they will be English teachers.

          But there is privilege in "native speakerism" in TEFL as well as the usual white, male, straight etc privileges.

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            Sure that privilege exists, but to the extent that it would cause the women in question to suddenly suspend any sense of judgement as to who they might sleep with? I think that is in itself a problematic assumption.

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              I should add I'm not accusing you of making that assumption, but it seems to be an assumption that has been made by some. It was certainly made by a lot of people when I was teaching in China, you'd hear stuff along the lines of 'these guys are taking advantage of these naive Chinese girls' which was pretty patronising, and contained some fairly dodgy thought processes in my view.
              Last edited by ooh aah; 26-01-2018, 12:37.

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                I agree with you. No I'm not suggesting that at all and hope it doesn't read that way.

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                  https://twitter.com/MarshallProj/status/961328214084866049

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                    How did R Kelly get acquitted?

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                      And Harvey is finally in custody in New York.

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                        Here, have some money...

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                          I am interested to know just how many of the victims this covers and to what extent it is being funded by the studio's insurance. Though the chances of the latter coming out are very small.

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                            Another article said 86 or 88 women are in that suit, and it's all being funded by insurance. $13 million to legal fees, the rest to the victims. Not sure how it's being apportioned.

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                              This thread (click through to read the whole thing) is a good legal analysis of the new Epstein indictment, which I believe is better discussed here than in the Trump thread

                              [URL="https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1148244769665114112?s=21"]https://twitter.com/renato_mariotti/status/1148244769665114112[/URL]

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                                This is an interesting piece

                                https://twitter.com/evaholland/status/1181231644453285890

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                                  Just as jury selection began in New York for Weinstein's trial, he's been indicted on new charges in Los Angeles.

                                  https://apnews.com/d865010fa5072224f...ign=SocialFlow

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                                    https://mobile.twitter.com/Lokinash0...90932326789120

                                    em, not sure if this on Nick Cohen contravenes libel, but if true there must be a lot of complicit Sensible bastards out there.
                                    Last edited by Lang Spoon; 07-01-2020, 21:25.

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                                      Weinstein rolling uo to court with walking frame in full-on 'poor me, pity me' mode and warned by a judge of coontempt for twice using his mobile in court apparently.

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                                        Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                        https://mobile.twitter.com/Lokinash0...90932326789120

                                        em, not sure if this on Nick Cohen contravenes libel, but if true there must be a lot of complicit Sensible bastards out there.
                                        Apologies but who is he?

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                                          Observer columnist. Arch New Labour Blair acolyte (despite once being a sharp critic of the Blairy hegemony). Iraq war True Believer.
                                          Last edited by Lang Spoon; 07-01-2020, 22:01.

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                                            Originally posted by Lang Spoon View Post
                                            Observer columnist. Arch New Labour Blair acolyte (desire once being a sharp critic of the Blairy hegemony). Iraq war True Believer.
                                            Cheers. I wonder how long those tweets will stay up for.

                                            Fuck him if they are true.

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                                              What's the jist of what they said?

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                                                Just been listening to Donna Rotunno’s (Weinstein’s lawyer’s) interview. For a professional, she seemed to be having to try excessively hard to believe in her client’s supposed ‘innocence’.

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                                                  So she's gotten to the same place that his three or four prior counsel found themselves . . .

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                                                    Apparently the jury is deadlocked on the 2 most serious charges. The judge has told them to keep working toward a unanimous verdict on all charges.

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