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    So the Oscar bigwigs met to discuss whether to kick Harvey W out of the Academy. I doubt they will have the same issue with Seagal.

    This is potentially US equivalent of the Jimmy Saville case isn't it.

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      Originally posted by Patrick Thistle View Post
      So the Oscar bigwigs met to discuss whether to kick Harvey W out of the Academy. I doubt they will have the same issue with Seagal.

      This is potentially US equivalent of the Jimmy Saville case isn't it.
      Is he in the Academy? It’s not a given. I learned today that Woody Allen isn’t, for example. So he can’t be kicked out.

      Woody Allen is an interesting case because, as far as I know, the evidence against him is just Mia Farrow’s testimony. Is that right? I mean, if I had to bet on it, I’d bet that her story is accurate, but I don’t think that would pass the “preponderance of evidence” test, would it? If the Academy is going to shun people, it needs a bit more than that, I would think. I have never understood the appeal of his work anyway so I’m not trying to defend him. But there needs to be more evidence to warrant ending his career in disgrace. Maybe there is and I haven’t read it.

      Why Roman Polanski is still revered is just completely beyond me.


      I saw a twitter thread about how some rag affiliated with the National Enquirer claims to have evidence of a major star running a pedophile “ring,” but won’t say who. Just based on that, the thread quickly ended up with “I bet Tom Hanks raped Corey Haim” despite not one iota or evidence to that effect.

      Then Jezebel started an irresponsible discussion of which next Hollywood person should be taken down? Lots of suggestions based on nothing but unsourced rumors and gossip.

      We don’t need to see a criminal conviction to know if somebody has sexually harassed or assaultes somebody, but e can’t be having these kinds of witch-hunts either. There needs to be some standards of evidence.

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        Weinstein was a member of the Academy, but was expelled yesterday by an “overwhelming “ vote (2/3 of the board.
        required).

        Polanski is still a member, as is Bill Cosby

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          Kicking out Weinstein is a panic response, in the vain hope that everybody settles down afterwards. Oscar Host 2018 will make a couple of edgy Weinstein references, and there will be a lot of "ooohs" and some laughter and applause, and that, the calculation goes, will be the end of that. But it mustn't be, and I doubt it will be.

          Weinstein is not the worst predator. He is, as Emma Thompson has pointed out, just the tip of the iceberg. And there is a 100-year-history of sexual abuse that Hollywood has always winked at. Weinstein is the first domino to fall. His case must be the one that brings down the whole exploitative and predatory system of the casting couch. And a case that will change patriarchal assumptions of men's sexual entitlement, winking at coercion and blaming women for their rape.

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            James Corden makes unfunny and really inappropriate Weinstein jokes at Aids Gala

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              It hasn't panned out well for him

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                This Rose McGowan interview is remarkable, shocking and shaming: https://www.theguardian.com/film/201...owan-rape-film

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                  I’d like to hear more about her conversations with David Carr.

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                    In any just society, that would be the end of his baffling American 'honeymoon'.

                    If you wish to come over as 'edgy' then frankly you have a work a little bit harder than this. (Or possess the requisite talent - which he clearly doesn't.) But the guy has previous in attempting this kind of thing.

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                      He wants it both ways, edgy while cuddling up to celebs. Needs to stick to the latter.

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                        He's just so childishly desperate to be liked isn't he? Like any subject, there are 'good' - 'better', 'harder-hitting' - jokes to be made about the issue, but his lame attempts - and then his even lamer 'apology' when he realises that many will go off him as a result - bear all the hallmarks of an utter wanker.

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                          With regard to Woody Allen, I think it can be considered significant that the journalist who wrote the New Yorker piece is Ronan Farrow, Woody Allen and Mia Farrow's son.

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                            It certainly is (especially as Rowan has been a vocal supporter of his sister's claims), though that fact has been cited by both detractors and defenders of Allen.

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                              He's a handsome one, young blue eyes. Exactly what you'd expect the love child of Woody and Mia to look like.

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                                Poor needy james, forgetting that the key component of being edgy is to punch up not down.

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                                  Dunno whether it’s already posted elsewhere, but that looks like the downfall of Sam Kriss so. Quite the tin-eared apology. Can’t say I’ll miss his Hot Takes. Having had the misfortune to read (the old paper version) Vice and their repellent Sugarape style laffs, would be more surprised if he’s the only wrong ’un on their staff.

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                                    From the New York Times Twitter timeline: "French actress Judith Godrèche recalled Weinstein asked to give her a massage. She said no. He said casual massages were an American custom."

                                    Despite being surrounded 24/7 by some of the greatest screenwriters on the planet that’s the best this revolting slimeball could come up with? Hilarious, in a very sick way.

                                    He’s got the same sort of sleazy face as repulsive creep Dominique Strauss-Kahn, aka DSK, who let’s not forget would have been elected president of France hands down (someone’s knickers) in 2012 instead of François Hollande if he hadn’t – been alleged to have – sexually assaulted a hotel maid, Nafissatou Diallo, in a New-York Sofitel in May 2011. The scumbag got off scot-free after "finding an agreement" with Diallo, i.e stuffing her bank account with several $millions.

                                    As the floodgates opened and the horror stories came pouring in, eg that of journalist-writer Tristane Banon who claimed that DSK tried to rape her in 2002.

                                    Banon told her mum at the time – Anne Mansouret, a minor politician on the payroll of the same party as DSK’s, Parti Socialiste – but Mansouret discouraged her daughter to pursue the matter and lodge a formal complaint against DSK as, in her own words and listening between the lines, she feared it would have got nowhere and whistle-blowing on DSK would have harmed her own political career. Except the whole thing had an even more cynical twist. It turned out that DSK had had sex with Mansouret in a Parisian OECD office in 2000 – a "brutal encounter" according to her in this L’Express article.

                                    It is well-known now that DSK likes/liked his sex rough, very rough. He was a frequent visitor to kinky Parisian sex clubs and an adept of sado-masochist parties (where prostitutes and dominatrixes were hired for the occasion, that became public knowledge after the Sofitel case).

                                    "Brutal" is a descriptive often used in the Weinstein case too, even leaving aside the allegations of rape. What is sought here by the likes of Weinstein or DSK is clearly not pleasure or even sex but coercive domination, total and utter humiliation, which is Mansouret’s evaluation too in the L’Express article:

                                    "Anne Mansouret décrit au contraire DSK comme un prédateur qui cherche non pas à plaire mais à prendre, se comportant avec l'"obscénité d'un soudard". D'après elle, chez DSK, le besoin sexuel déclenche un processus de domination." = […] "sexually, he behaves with the obscenity of a roughneck soldier”… "his sexual needs trigger in him a process of domination".

                                    Elsewhere, she accused DSK of behaving "like a rutting chimpanzee" during that one encounter.

                                    These profoundly sick people are psychopathic sex offenders, not sex addicts, and as such should face the full force of the judiciary, for every single case where intimidation or coercion was used. But, hey, money and power talk – loudly. DSK is still busy touring the world being paid sick amounts (for conferences, advice etc.) and fawned over by people who clearly can't give a flying fig about what he's done. I really hope this Weinstein case will turn out to be a watershed moment but somehow I doubt it.

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                                      Rupert Myers would seem to be an ex-journalist as of now.

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                                        Originally posted by Disco Child Ballads View Post
                                        With regard to Woody Allen, I think it can be considered significant that the journalist who wrote the New Yorker piece is Ronan Farrow, Woody Allen and Mia Farrow's son.
                                        I totally missed that.


                                        The scumbag got off scot-free after "finding an agreement" with Diallo, i.e stuffing her bank account with several $millions.

                                        It's unfortunate, but if it were me in her situation, I'd just take the money and I'm not especially poor and nobody is depending on me. I suspect she could really use a few bucks for herself and her family.

                                        As far as I can tell, unless you can provide a parade of accusers telling reasonably similar stories, it's very hard to prove these things beyond a reasonable doubt, and a criminal trial would be harrowing, having the defense attorney's questioning one's character and replaying the crime. And even with lots of complainants, as the Cosby case shows, it's no sure thing. I'm not sure it's worth the gamble of a civil trial, despite the lower burden of evidence.

                                        I don't have a solution to that.
                                        Last edited by Hot Pepsi; 19-10-2017, 17:42.

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                                          Tarantino has finally come somewhat clean. Still sounds like he's hedging a bit, but at least he's making progress.

                                          https://www.thestar.com/entertainmen...han-i-did.html

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                                            Tom Hanks has also given his own opinion, I've not seen all of the interview but it seems to be a very eloquent judgement of the situation that obviously goes way beyond one man.

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                                              Yeah.

                                              Some people are going a little nuts and don’t realize that not everyone knew about this situation because not everyone in Hollywood worked with him. A lot of people, but hardly everyone. Like I saw people on twitter accusing Judd Apatow of knowing and not saying anything. Unless IMDB is very wrong, he’s never worked with Weinstein.

                                              I’m sure other studios and networks, etc are full of creeps too. But if people aren’t talking about it and/or the studio is paying their Ray Donovan guy to keep it quiet, then most people, even Tom Hanks, is going to really know enough to say anything.

                                              But Tarantino was close enough to Weinstein to know stuff with reasonable certainty.

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                                                It is well-known now that DSK likes/liked his sex rough, very rough. He was a frequent visitor to kinky Parisian sex clubs and an adept of sado-masochist parties (where prostitutes and dominatrixes were hired for the occasion, that became public knowledge after the Sofitel case)

                                                You appear to be conflating BDSM tastes/practices with sexual assault, which is bang out of order.

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                                                  Perhaps. But surely not necessarily.

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                                                    it's not that he's into rough sex, therefore he's a rapist, more he's a rapist that we know is into rough sex. Consent is the difference between a couple of enthusiastic partners having a vigorous evening in, and serious aggravated sexual assault. And DSK seems to have had real issues with that concept.

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