In the UK, I think "city" status is still conferred by Parliament. I remember Preston getting it. I think a University has to be involved (although absolutely everywhere's got one of those now). Sometimes on the news from the States, in particular, there'll be a news story from such and such "city" and it"s got a population of about 1,500, which would barely be classed a village here. How do other countries do it?
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Needs a charter (traditionally from the monarch)
Was once based on "having a cathedral", but later became more of "being a big town"
Rochester, famously of course, used to be a city, but isn't any more - when the local government was reorganised, they didn't re-apply for the charter, so the new authority lost its city status.
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Originally posted by sw2bureau View PostRoman Catholic cathedrals don't count.
We've applied three times anyway and unsurprisingly failed three times. Can any town beat that?
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostIn the US, status is a matter of state law, and requirements vary significantly from state to state.
Terms like city, town, and village are also used frequently without any regard to the place's formal legal status.
But there's only one first class city, Philadelphia (which is also a county), one second class city, Pittsburgh, one 2A city, Scranton, and then 54 third-class cities - including some really small places. It's all about their charter/home rule thing. There's also a single Town, Bloomsburg.
Massachusetts, by contrast, has lots of Towns. No boroughs or townships, as far as I know.
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Originally posted by Guy Profumo View PostWas once based on "having a cathedral", but later became more of "being a big town"
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Perth and Stirling, recently given city status by Her Maj for her Scotch subjects, no fuckin way are they anything else but provincial big toons. They might be full of history, but they're smaller than my own one horse town. I'll allow Inverness though, it'll probably get close to 100,000 before I peg it, and does function as a regional capital.
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Originally posted by 3 Colours Red View PostThis is why I was confused that Wrexham wasn't a city when I was a young 'un. I didn't know that St. Mary's was the wrong denomination.
We've applied three times anyway and unsurprisingly failed three times. Can any town beat that?
Actually, the prospect of automatic promotion to the City League might be a useful spur to local investment. "Stoke, you're out ... come in, Basingstoke."
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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostPerth and Stirling, recently given city status by Her Maj for her Scotch subjects, no fuckin way are they anything else but provincial big toons. They might be full of history, but they're smaller than my own one horse town. I'll allow Inverness though, it'll probably get close to 100,000 before I peg it, and does function as a regional capital.
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Trams, pfft. Pissant Karlsruhe minnow city stuff, subway or at least decent s-bahn style commuter rail. And a grid plan preferably.Last edited by Lang Spoon; 18-08-2017, 18:38.
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Aye, probably so. Trams are still pony but. Should be a supplement to a good train and/or metro (underground in city centre of course) at most, not the main deal, that's just Thatcher's Britain value engineering your standards. If Manchester had something like the Newcastle Metro (no one sane would do a circle line like the dinky Glasgow Subway or London's oldest tube lines, so of course Stalin did just that, but massively deeper underground), and the density of suburban stations like Glasgow, then it really would be the centre of the liveable city universe. Or at least to reasonable European standards of infrastructure.Last edited by Lang Spoon; 18-08-2017, 20:12.
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What might have been, if Britain wasn't so centralised and shit and short-termist. municipal govt and infrastructural schemes a joke outside Lunnon for decades. If Europe hasn't been bombed flat in WWII, the gimcrack rubbish nature of Britain's infrastructure compared to its neighbours would have been obvious far sooner.
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