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Conversely there are five occasions on which teams have reached the final beating only sides that have, to date, reached any of the European finals.
Only on one of those occasions had all the opponents reached a European final previous to that particular campaign.
And only on one of those occasions were all the opponents past/future finalists of the European Champion Clubs' Cup/UEFA Champions League.Last edited by Alex Anderson; 15-01-2018, 11:21. Reason: one point for each question you get right - ten points for understanding the question.
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I've been reading Daniel Taylor's enjoyable nostalgia trip, I Believe in Miracles. It throws up plenty of potential trivia questions about the Forest years, but this'll do for starters:
Who was Forest's reserve keeper for the 1980 final?
(We should probably impose a 24 hour embargo before Alex answers, to give the rest of us a chance ... )
Follow-up: what else was notable (unique at the time, maybe since?) about Forest's subs for that game?
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Originally posted by Satchmo Distel View PostIt's tricky for the groups era because there is often one makeweight in a group that has never been near the final of any of the European tournaments.
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Originally posted by tee rex View PostI've been reading Daniel Taylor's enjoyable nostalgia trip, I Believe in Miracles. It throws up plenty o f potential trivia questions about the Forest years, but this'll do for starters:
Who was Forest's reserve keeper for the 1980 final?
(We should probably impose a 24 hour embargo before Alex answers, to give the rest of us a chance ... )
Follow-up: what else was notable (unique at the time, maybe since?) about Forest's subs for that game?
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It was Jim Montgomery on the bench, wasn't it?
And the only thing I can think of that links all four subs and could be considered slightly unusual is that they all spent some time in their playing career outside Europe.
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Originally posted by 3 Colours Red View PostIt was Jim Montgomery on the bench, wasn't it?
And the only thing I can think of that links all four subs and could be considered slightly unusual is that they all spent some time in their playing career outside Europe.
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Originally posted by tee rex View PostI've been reading Daniel Taylor's enjoyable nostalgia trip, I Believe in Miracles. It throws up plenty of potential trivia questions ...
(We should probably impose a 24 hour embargo before Alex answers, to give the rest of us a chance ... )
But, while I've never read the book, I Believe in Miracles, the film, is absolutely brilliant tee rex. Love the bit about Larry Lloyd's wife needing a new washing machine ...
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Leeds got to the final in 1975 beating Ujpest Dosza, Anderlecht and Barcelona. Are they one?
Edit: ah, no, they also played Zurich didn't they. As you were.Last edited by Rogin the Armchair fan; 15-01-2018, 18:30.
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Originally posted by denishurley View PostIs that what was unique, not using full complement in a final?
Montgomery almost had the chance to repeat his 1973 heroics, to be a Spink before Spink, as Shilton needed pain-killers to play.
Forest under Clough were almost permanently pissed, before/during big games, according to Taylor.
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The UEFA site only gives numbers for John O'Hare (12) and Bryn Gunn (15), does anyone know what Montgomery and David 'In my sticker album I haven't got him, I' Needham wore?
Related, if Hamburg are relegated this year, which seems a strong likelihood, will it be the first time that two clubs who played each other in a final will be outside their top flights at the same time?
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Originally posted by denishurley View PostRelated, if Hamburg are relegated this year, which seems a strong likelihood, will it be the first time that two clubs who played each other in a final will be outside their top flights at the same time?
Doing it the other way round, Bayern and Leeds were both in the second tier in the first season of the Bundesliga, 11 years before they met in the final. Borussia Moenchengladbach were also a middling Oberliga West team - effectively second tier - for most of Liverpool's 1954-62 Second Division spell.
Bloody good question though - especially with the likes of Man U, Chelsea and Juve having well-publicised spells in the lower leagues.
While, topically, Villa and Forest remain the only former champs to meet domestically outside a top tier - I'm sure, especially in England, we can find occasions when future champions did the same: Forest were in the second division with Man United in 1974-75 for a start.
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1974-75 Man U, Villa, Forest. The first two were promoted.
1975-77 Forest v Chelsea. These two met 18 times in the old Division 2
https://www.11v11.com/teams/chelsea/...gham%20Forest/
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Billy Aitken managed two future finalists - Rheims and Juventus
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Will...n_(footballer)
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Billy Aitken I'd heard of - great shout, Satchmo - but Patrick O'Connell was a Wiki revelation: Taking Betis to the Spanish title no mean feat either.
And I LOVED that Forest were half-pissed as they dominated Europe, tee rex. It's maybe childish on my part - or speaks of my age and background - but the Lloyd and Burns partnership at the back is one of my all time favs coz they were such fat, old booze bags. Occasionally thuggish too. Always brilliant.
Clough is the greatest manager Scotland never had. When the FA knocked him back we should have pounced - he'd have loved the chance for revenge.
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Originally posted by Rogin the Armchair fan View PostLeeds got to the final in 1975 beating Ujpest Dosza, Anderlecht and Barcelona. Are they one?
Edit: ah, no, they also played Zurich didn't they. As you were.
It was Milan 1958 and 1969; Inter 1964, Bayern 1987 and PSV 1988.
Before losing to Porto in the 1987 final, Bayern defeated sides who had all already played in at least one European final (PSV, Austria Vienna, Anderlecht and Real Madrid). Only side ever to do this.
Before whupping Ajax in the 1969 final, Milan defeated Malmo, Celtic and Manchester United. They're the only team to reach the big final defeating only teams who had/would themselves reached/reach that big final.
In fairness, Milan's second round bye made it a bit easier in 1968-69. For example, Atletico Madrid reached the 2016 final by overcoming four former European champions - Benfica in the group stages then PSV, Barca and Bayern in the knock-outs. In fact, with 2000 UEFA Cup winners Galatasaray finishing third in that group it was only Astana stopping Atletico joining this list.
No club has ever reached the European Cup/UCL final by defeating only European trophy winners.
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Originally posted by Alex Anderson View PostNo club has ever reached the European Cup/UCL final by defeating only European trophy winners.
(Man City and Bayern were on course through the group stages but drawing Basel and Besiktas, respectively, in the last 16 has scuppered their chance. Bet they're gutted.)
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Originally posted by Southport Zeb View PostThat will be Vardar Skopje. They were originally awarded the Yugoslav title one season after half of the league was deducted points for matchfixing. However the deductions were eventually overturned, but by that point Vardar were already entered into the European Cup.
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