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    In 2015,it took 34000 votes for each Tory MP, 40k for each Labour one, 300k for a Lib Dem, 1.25m for a Green one and nearly 4m for a UKIP one. I don't care how you define representation, the views of each voter are not equally represented.

    A pure proportional system (subdivided by nation, so a separate one for Wales/Scotland/NI) would have given 240 Tories, 198 Labour, 82 Ukip, 51 Lib Dem, 31 SNP, 25 Green, 4 PC. The fact that we'd have had a Tory/UKIP coalition would have been shit, but it would have far better represented what people actually thought.

    The figures for 2017 are better, but that could mean that lots of people chose not to vote for their preferred candidate.

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      If we had had PR for the 2015 election then UKIP would have had a lot of say in things.

      Unlike what actually happened, obviously.

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        Originally posted by Etienne View Post
        In 2015,it took 34000 votes for each Tory MP, 40k for each Labour one, 300k for a Lib Dem, 1.25m for a Green one and nearly 4m for a UKIP one. I don't care how you define representation, the views of each voter are not equally represented.

        A pure proportional system (subdivided by nation, so a separate one for Wales/Scotland/NI) would have given 240 Tories, 198 Labour, 82 Ukip, 51 Lib Dem, 31 SNP, 25 Green, 4 PC. The fact that we'd have had a Tory/UKIP coalition would have been shit, but it would have far better represented what people actually thought.

        The figures for 2017 are better, but that could mean that lots of people chose not to vote for their preferred candidate.
        Of course, notwithstanding the fact that many many people would change their vote. Which is the point really. Vote for who you want, not against who you don't want.

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          Channel 4 have just broadcast another investigation into the Tories electioneering, looks very dodgy.

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            Down the road from me too.

            It didn't work very well.

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              “This country is f–ked,” one senior Tory said. “We are tethered to the mast of Brexit and when it goes wrong we’re screwed. They all know it. All Labour have to do is hedge their bets. When the public realize they have been sold a pup they will turn on the party.”
              http://www.politico.eu/article/batte...emy-territory/

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                Might've been worth not selling that pup to the public in the first place, then. (Obviously that's a sentiment that's probably shared by the person who provided that quote.)

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