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    #51
    I did spend a lot of time wondering, "Why is Ireland that colour on film?"

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      #52
      I was asked yesterday what I thought about it, and couldn't put my finger on it. Partly it's the fact that having introduced a new Sith in the form of Snoke who's way more powerful than anyone since Palpatine, they then knock him off. I get that they don't want this to fall into the predictable master-apprentice trope, but at least tell us who the fuck he was and where he came from. And the final plotline where the Admiral pilots the ship into the capital ship. Don't they have fucking autopilots anymore?

      I get that they're rebooting the franchise more fully now after the articulation point of the Force Awakens, and they're leaving people like me behind. That's fine, but leaving behiond logic sticks in the craw. They've reduced the Resistance from the governors of the major part of the galaxy through to something they can fit on the Falcon, which will have to grow again pretty damn quick to get to a conclusion by the end of the next film.

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        #53
        Although this series of films ends next film, there are going to be stand-alones so I expect that they still have time to tie up ends to an extent in back-stories to any of those set in the future

        I have just seen it and loved it. There were several bits where I just sat back and thought "Oh, lovely, here we go..." and knew I was in safe hands. A couple of things that came to mind.

        Just why was Leia the only original human not killed off? Going to be interesting to see how they finally do it now.

        I really wish I had seen TFA again to remind me of some of the story going into it. I will have to have a back to back reviewing at some point.

        Loved the use of quiet in this film.

        The only things that really jarred with me were, retrospectively, Leia's space resurrection (where space is The Upside Down, apparently) and, right at the start, the bombs 'dropping' on the Deadnought in zero gravity (although I expect some inbuilt propulsion can explain that.

        Actually, how can things go on fire in space with no oxygen?

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          #54
          Saw this today and enjoyed it more than "The Force Awakens" which I didn't really like that much.

          Pluses

          I thought that the Rey/Kylo/Luke scenes and dynamic were fantastic, I loved that part of the story.
          Rey's training and the echoes of the Dark Tree scenes on Dagobah.
          The lightsaber over the shoulder gag.
          Chewie and Rey saving the day in the Falcon
          The fact that the first baddie we hear speak was Eddie Hitler.
          Supreme Leader Snokes was not 50 feet tall and was a decent villain.
          The lightsaber fights were cool

          Minuses

          The humour, especially the slapstick and the wisecracking, whoever wrote the "jokes" needs to be thrown in the Sarlaac Pit.
          Oh look there's a Porg watching Chewie eat a roast Porg, oh and there's another one and another even "cuter" than the first two, oh and a Porg with a huge eyed baby Porg...Okay, we get it! Chewie is about to eat a Porg and the cute, cuddly little Porgs are watching him.
          BB8 is literally a Deux Ex Machina
          The casino subplot just bored the hell out of me and was the main reason this was two and half hours long
          Captain Phasma was, once again, pretty pointless
          Why does all the First Order stuff just look like "blockier" low res versions of Imperial stuff, everything is just that little bit shittier.
          Luke milking some sort of weird sea cow, wtf?
          The bizarre nun like "caretakers"
          The bloke who's only line was "This is salt", what was the relevance of that? Just so we didn't presume it was snow and that they'd completely ripped off the Hoth battle scenes from ESB? ("Ha, how can it be exactly the same? This is salt NOT snow!")

          Overall, though I thought it was pretty good, I'd probably rate it below the original trilogy and about equal to "Rogue One".

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            #55
            Originally posted by tracteurgarçon View Post
            Captain Phasma was, once again, pretty pointless
            Oh, yes, agreed. As has been mentioned often, Rian Johnson was given a completely free rein but I wonder what J. J. Abrams had in mind for her.

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              #56
              It’s a bloody terrible name for a character, whatever Abrams has planned for her.

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                #57
                The face off with Phasma did give Finn the chance to say "Rebel Scum!" to her. His best line, I think.

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                  #58
                  I very much did a double take when Vyvyan turned up.

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                    #59
                    Saw it today and very much enjoyed it. Humour-wise I did enjoy holo-Luke flicking dust off his shoulder.

                    Just a few niggles:

                    - when Rose's sister dies, if I was Japanese I think I might take offence. What she was doing (suiciding with her explosive-laden craft) combined with her ethnicity and the way her 40s-style helmet looked. Sorry, maybe it's just me.

                    - Laura Dean says "God's speed, rebels". What is this "God" of which she speaks!

                    - Porgs

                    But it was basically great fun, like TFA.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Sits View Post

                      - Laura Dean says "God's speed, rebels". What is this "God" of which she speaks!
                      In Empire, when Han is told his Tauntaun will freeze when he goes looking for Luke, he tells the deck officer "Then, I'll see you in hell!"

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                        #61
                        I noticed that too.

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                          #62
                          I went to see this again tonight with my mum and dad. Mum said she thought it was excellent and particularly liked the trashing of the casino and General Hux's line "Do you think you got him?"

                          I really enjoyed it second time around.

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                            #63
                            Saw this today. It felt a lot like Empire Strikes Back to me with the training stuff, the ghosts of past masters, the wrestling with the legacy of parents.

                            In general, I liked it and probably will see again in 3-D to make the family happy (standard won out today, which is my preference). Others noted the lack of screen time for some of the older characters, but I think that was good. All three of the recent films have had a little too much retro for my tastes, and I say that as someone who loves these movies. I would prefer to see extensions of the old films rather than repetition. In some sense, the stuff with the kids at the end is simply repeating the story line with Anakin.

                            My favorite new introduction was Benicio del Toro. I really like him as an actor and thought he was a good fit in this role.

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                              #64
                              Did you notice how they gave him a stammer? I think now every single baddy in the Star Wars franchise has had some kind of either physical deformity or other impediment, up to and including General Grevious's asthma, whereas all the heroes are beautiful people. Even C3PO's bright gold ffs. I wonder if that's a good message?

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                                #65
                                Luke has an artificial hand. Yoda walks with a cane. Jar-Jar had dyspraxia.

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                                  #66
                                  Obi Wan Kenobi also walked with a stick, didn't he? Chewbacca had a terrible speech impediment.

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                                    #67
                                    Originally posted by Bordeaux Education View Post
                                    Chewbacca had a terrible speech impediment.
                                    A good belly laugh to start the day.

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                                      #68
                                      There's a great Robot Chicken sketch where Chewie coughs up a hairball and can then speak. "Now, where's that bitch who called me a carpet!?!"

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                                        #69
                                        And as for Rey, well if you're going to have a heroine who comes from nothing and was abandoned as a child by her abusive scum parents, at least try and get her to seem less upper middle class. Her posh girl having an adventurous gap year dynamic wore very thin, very quickly. At least Jon Snow and Ygritte managed to hide the fact that he's minor nobility, and she grew up in a fucking castle. You get a sense from her that no matter how dangerous she is with a light sabre, she could do real damage with a hockey stick.
                                        That's brilliant Berba and I've, er, paid homage to it at a couple of social gatherings since I read it. Livens up any dull gathering where there's a Star Wars geek present!

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                                          #70
                                          I enjoyed it. My only big criticism was that the Finn-Rose subplot seemed very tacked on to the rest of the film. Like they needed to find something for him to do for the duration of the movie.

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                                            #71
                                            Did anyone notice that Carrie Fisher was playing General Jed Bartlet?

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                                              #72
                                              It’s getting good reviews in most of the press. But I’ve yet to hear much unalloyed joy from recent watchers, I’m fearing Blade Runner II: The Quickening badness tbh.

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                                                #73
                                                Very good reviews in the mainstream media. Decidedly mixed on the geek websites/podcasts etc. And among my geek Star Wars friends too. I said upthread that I'd like to see it again to make up my mind and I have seen this opinion voiced many, many times on the internet. But I haven't been yet and probably won't now. I would feel aggrieved to pay more money to the franchise than I have to just to help me to make up my mind as to whether it's good or not.

                                                "Oh, I should say it is really properly funny too. The most comedic of any Star Wars film I can think of. Which is a peculiar coincidence with it coming out so soon after Thor : Ragnarok."

                                                The comedy bits actually really annoyed me (both in Ragnarok and in The Last Jedi). Why does nearly every genre film I see now have to try and be Guardians of the Galaxy? The original Star Wars had genuinely funny lines and situations but that was just good scripting and character development. Much more recently, the new Wonder Woman had tenderness and humour in spades, once again thanks mostly to a great script. When a film is scripted well the jokes don't need to be crowbarred in.
                                                Last edited by Jon; 03-01-2018, 00:05.

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                                                  #74
                                                  Originally posted by Jon View Post
                                                  The comedy bits actually really annoyed me (both in Ragnarok and in The Last Jedi). Why does nearly every genre film I see now have to try and be Guardians of the Galaxy? The original Star Wars had genuinely funny lines and situations but that was just good scripting and character development. Much more recently, the new Wonder Woman had tenderness and humour in spades, once again thanks mostly to a great script. When a film is scripted well the jokes don't need to be crowbarred in.
                                                  This.

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                                                    #75
                                                    There was something that they really needed to avoid with Luke out on Skellig Micheal, if you're going to have a Monk, who is gone into hiding, because of an incident involving children, and if he refuses to talk about it, you're almost relieved when he finally admits that he only tried to kill Kylo Ren, rather than grope him in his sleep. The Only shame that he should be feeling is that he made a balls of it. I was asking people afterwards who is this Adam Driver cunt and I was told that he was very good in Girls. and if ever a man has been imprisoned in a tank of lena Dunhams faeces for so long that it has seeped into his every pore, it's him. Christ he's terrible. Though the transformation from 35 year old former marine, into whinging insane teenage narcissist indicates that he can act, even if he's only acting the Cunt. Every second he is on the screen you can feel the sands of time falling through your metaphorical hourglass. The Only thing missing from him to be the textbook definition that an old cunt has of millenials, was a line from him saying that he'd rather eat avocado toast than save for the deposit for a house.

                                                    This (although I agreed with pretty much everything else you posted too).

                                                    The single worst thing about the prequel trilogy was that the villain you were supposed to be terrified of was a useless whiny little dick played by a shite actor. Rinse and repeat for eps 7 and 8.

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