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    Will the Margin be important? If she wins by even one vote she's there for another year, if enen if she loses, she'll refuse to accept it, and they'll have to shoot her with a tranquilizer gun to get her out of the building

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      Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View Post
      I thought he did reasonably well, though not bringing up the no confidence vote seemed an astounding miss.
      He did, insofar as he stated it [Tory infighting] was utterly irrelevant to the lives of British people.

      Anyway, it was always going to end up with the Tories tearing themselves apart because Europe has been tying them in knots ever since I can remember.

      Interesting quote on the Guardian's live feed that May "now understands she has to get a Brexit deal the DUP can support" following the 1922 meeting. A couple of things I wondered about between the lines:

      1) Even with a May victory, the vote might be enough for the Brexiteers to drag her towards no deal
      2) Keeping the DUP out of Labour's clutches is more important than screwing over the rest of the country

      The EU isn't daft - if they think this is the start of a swing to no deal, and have reacted accordingly, I don't see enough evidence to doubt them.

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        I've come round to this deal. It fucks me it fucks my family it fucks a lot of people I care about, but Europe is better off without this shitshow. This arrogant country with its arrogant cunts. The political class the media the fucked up twats who run the place and think everyone should simply to listen to them. Fuck them all.

        Sorry.

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          Yup

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            Too many people I care about are going to be hurt by this, financially certainly, and perhaps in more important ways. So I hope something vaguely sane can be rescued from this megalomaniacal clusterfuck, but it's not looking good.

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              (edit - to the two posters above AdC, and Johnr's "left-wing" friend)

              Nah, that's not on. You've got to try and do the right thing for the people whose lives this will fuck up. If you want to be on the left, like.

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                Well I care about people in Europe too. I seriously think the best thing now is for the UK to leave. Be humbled by their status in the world and then come crawling back a little more understanding of the meaning of the word partnership.

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                  I can't see any other way of telling "the great and the good" that they're just a set of insignificant cunts

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                    Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View Post
                    (edit - to the two posters above AdC, and Johnr's "left-wing" friend)

                    Nah, that's not on. You've got to try and do the right thing for the people whose lives this will fuck up. If you want to be on the left, like.
                    He wasn't a friend - I've not seen him since - I was just putting his point. In his world, I think, the UK are fucking up the people's lives in Europe, rather than the UK, so we should butt out for the greater good. But I'm not going to argue for him (the post was just pointing out that I could think of an argument against him, at the time).

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                      I'm just hoping that she'll get a big enough vote to stay, the DUP pull support whenever the deal comes back to the Commons, and then we're off.

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                        A reporter on ITN news just said that the Brexit goons, anticipating an underwhelming result in the no confidence vote, are putting the blame on it all happening too quickly. It's not even that they have short memories; they seem to exist in a state akin to alcoholic blackout where no memories are even formed.

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                          Be humbled by their status in the world and then come crawling back a little more understanding of the meaning of the word partnership.
                          This isn’t going to happen as long as they are led by a Boycott devotee who is nonetheless thought soft and wet by a significant minority of the Parliamentary party (and perhaps a majority of the members).

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                            I understand that this comes from a place of justified anger, but it's all a bit "the workers need to starve in order for them to deserve our socialism" for me.

                            I can't see how you're sparing anything other than rhetorical suffering in Europe by causing actual suffering here.
                            Last edited by Lucy Waterman; 12-12-2018, 19:12.

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                              Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View Post
                              I understand that this comes from a place of justified anger, but it's all a bit "the workers need to starve in order for them to deserve our socialism" for me.

                              I can't see how you're sparing anything other than rhetorical suffering in Europe by causing actual suffering here.
                              Maybe I'm mistating his point; I got a load of anger that the European project that he believed in - from an internationalist perspective - was always, and always going to be, undermined by the UK buggering it up. But that's enough of me putting the point of somebody I don't agree with. I want us to be in Europe, for the (possibly selfish) reason that it'll be the best for us in the UK.

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                                Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                Well I care about people in Europe too. I seriously think the best thing now is for the UK to leave. Be humbled by their status in the world and then come crawling back a little more understanding of the meaning of the word partnership.
                                Hmm, that's going to require all those gammon faced pricks coming to the conclusion that "You know that whole brexit thing I was so caught up in. It turns out that I was completely and utterly wrong about everything. Not a clue. I thought it was going to make my hair grow back, make my cock work again, and allow me see my feet when I looked down, but actually It turns out that I don't understand anything about anything, and in my certainty i've been behaving like an utter prick. I'm a stupid ignorant cunt, who shouldn't be allowed use scissors and to be honest I'm ashamed of my ignorance and unfitness to engage in the adult world. Well now I've learned my lesson."

                                The Italian lesson would suggest that a lot of people are going to take refuge in political fantasy, and the others will just become unashamed open fascists. People would sooner kill other people than admit they were wrong about something.

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                                  Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View Post
                                  I understand that this comes from a place of justified anger, but it's all a bit "the workers need to starve in order for them to deserve our socialism" for me.

                                  I can't see how you're sparing anything other than rhetorical suffering in Europe by causing actual suffering here.
                                  It's not the workers I want to suffer it's the fucking ruling classes. I understand that you don't have emotions in your grown-up way so I get that you don't see my point of view

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                                    Sorry. I've been drinking and remembering just how fucking much I hate the people who run Britain.

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                                      No, that's all OK - but (and I know you know this) it won't be the ruling class that suffers. The ruling class will be inconvenienced.

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                                        Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                                        The Italian lesson would suggest that a lot of people are going to take refuge in political fantasy, and the others will just become unashamed open fascists. People would sooner kill other people than admit they were wrong about something.
                                        Yes, I fear this is shrewd.

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                                          Some of them will make a damn fortune, which is ultimately why we are where we are.

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                                            Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
                                            This isn’t going to happen as long as they are led by a Boycott devotee who is nonetheless thought soft and wet by a significant minority of the Parliamentary party (and perhaps a majority of the members).
                                            One of Cameron's aides was overheard talking about "swivel eyed loons" in the constituency parties, so they probably want No Deal. On the other hand, she's nasty to foreigners so there's probably a fair bit of personal warmth towards her.

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                                              In the meantime, their London mayoral candidate, Shaun Bailey, is iosing by 26 percent.

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                                                Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View Post
                                                Yes, I fear this is shrewd.
                                                I fear it's already happening. I'm struggling to think of a kinder word for the DUP or for hardline Brexiteers, and I struggle to think of a better way to think of Corbyn's labour party.

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                                                  But this wouldn't just happen after a no-deal Brexit - it would also happen (albeit to a more limited extent) even after a People's Vote to Remain.

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                                                    Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View Post
                                                    But this wouldn't just happen after a no-deal Brexit - it would also happen (albeit to a more limited extent) even after a People's Vote to Remain.
                                                    Cameron's stature grows by the day, doesn't it?

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