Union bosses are very much like the pigs in Animal Farm, aren't they.
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He does some good work, and I'm glad he beat that other Kipper goon. But I don't find him all that convincing in his wider "political" role.Comment
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I mean, sure, but any more than going into government with the fucking DUP?Comment
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He has a Nordie sounding name to be fair (though the actual Raab is in Hungary)Comment
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This is reportedly the compromise Brexit motion planned for the Labour conference:
https://twitter.com/BenKentish/status/1043963266400223232/photo/1
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Yes, the only woolly aspect is the final sentence - would that mean the final deal vs a crash out Brexit, or is Remain a potential option?Comment
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I think it leaves it open.Comment
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Meanwhile, the Tories are edging towards Canada, which would still leave NI unresolved:
https://twitter.com/MsHelicat/status/1043967080847089664
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Not to mention the chucking away of GDP. It's much closer to WTO option than to Norway in economic terms.
"Canada option" is just mentioned because it sounds Anglo-Saxon, isn't it? Like "Australian points system". If it were called the "South Korea option", the government wouldn't be so keen.Last edited by Tubby Isaacs; 23-09-2018, 22:21.Comment
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I'm still curious as to what the "Canada option" means. If it refers to the Canada/EU deal that was for goods only. Services, including financial services, aren't included. Has this been discussed anywhere, or am I just misinterpreting things?Comment
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No, DR I'm pretty sure that Canada is only an option if the UK does exactly what the EU wants with respect to the Back stop.Comment
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Yes. That's what it means. Lets not think what that means for food supply or the unsustainability of Customs.....Originally posted by Amor de Cosmos View PostComment
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The advocates of it generally say they want Canada+ but that is about as far as their recognition of this goes.Comment
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I'm sure most people have very little idea of what the Canada, Norway or indeed Switzerland options actually entail.
"Most people" includes me.Comment
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It used to be 'Canada+++' so perhaps that's progress of sortsComment
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Tubbs, I reckon 'south korea option' would go down very well indeed among a certain strata. Tremendously hard worker, the korean. National service unless you win the world cup. Half their kids top themselves through exam stress. Sensible policies for a brighter britain.Comment
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I'll try, hopefully I haven't mucked this up too much.Originally posted by Sporting View Post
Canada: free trade in goods, not services, although there's mutual recognition of qualifications in some professions and it's easier to transfer staff from Canada to the EU and vice versa.
Norway: membership of the European Economic Area. Means you accept the four freedoms (free movement of goods, services, capital and labour) although you aren't signed up to all of the EU's particular treaties such as the common agricultural or fisheries policy, which is a big reason Norway and Iceland haven't joined the EU. You get some ability to advise on EU legislation but obviously no actual vote. Norway isn't in EURATOM or the customs union.
Switzerland: broadly similar to Norway in practice, except they're members of the European Free Trade Area (which all EEA and EU members are in) and not the EEA. Swiss incorporation of EU law is largely painstakingly negotiated via treaties, of which there are over 100 negotiated since the original free trade agreement in 1972.
Both Norway and Switzerland pay into the EU budget.Comment
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Didn't he also suggest that remaining in the EU wouldn't actually be an option?Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View PostComment
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Now the IEA's having a go. Is this the ERG plan that got spiked or something else? It's certainly got ERG backing. The plan seems basically to be "throw a tantrum".
It is not possible to lay out all the required steps, but an effective strategy
is only possible once the customs union or any variant of it (such as the
Facilitated Customs Arrangement (FCA) set out in the White Paper or its
predecessor the New Customs Partnership (NCP)) is off the table.
• If the EU does not cooperate with serious UK proposals,
the UK should move to a more aggressive footing; if the EU
refuses to recognise UK regulations on day one of Brexit,
the UK should be prepared to take action in the WTO for
violations of the General Agreement on Tariffs and Trade
(the GATT) and the Agreements on Technical Barriers to
Trade (TBT Agreement) and Sanitary and Phytosantiary
Measures (SPS Agreement).
• In the event of no agreement, the UK could elect not to
impose checks on goods trade at the Irish border, and apply
zero tariffs on agri-food, on an MFN basis for all imports,
and selectively reduce and eliminate tariffs on other goods.Comment
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He did, though it won't actually be up to him.Originally posted by Flynnie View Post
As mentioned elsewhere, I've been trying to get clarity from the Peoples Vote leading campaigners as to what the vote options would be, it's amazing how coy they've been. I think it's backfired slightly, they should have been going for 'Remain vs the Deal' only (cos I'm sure that's what they actually want) and strongly argued for it and how it could be achieved in the timetable.Comment
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The IEA really, really hates chemicals regulations, it seems.Comment
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That's a good point. I'd not looked too closely at "People's Vote"- assumed that it was a vote to Remain, and that's what its opponents assume. But you're right, it isn't clear at all. So Labour have bowed to a principle of a referendum, like People's Vote were trying to establish.Originally posted by johnr View Post
McDonnell won't decide what's in a referendum, but he'd be (I'd hope) a major figure in a campaign. If there's a Remain referendum, he'll be spending every the first five minutes of every interview answering "You don't even think this referendum should be happening, do you?" I don't know why he's going so hard on this. I don't see why "we will do whatever we need to save us from Tory shit" isn't the line.Comment
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