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    I see populism expert and "Blue Labour" Hard Brexiter, Prof Matthew Goodwin, hasn't addressed Airbus at all today. He has though had time to retweet an advert for an event with David Goodhart and Claire Fox. Goodhart's not mentioned Airbus, Fox has retweeted one of her Spiked pals, with words to the effect of "we defied big business in the referendum, so make Brexit a success".

    This lot don't even pretend to have a policy, do they?

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      Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
      Ian Birrell, who is a sane Tory Remainer, reckoned total tax from Airbus (I assume he factors in supply chains too) is £1.7bn. That's a good start on the EU dues we were paying, which we're now "saving".
      Well that equates to £13,600 per person, if you include the broader definition. Though that's a bit high. You have to be earning £64,000 to pay that much income tax. But that's a very narrow measure of the wider tax impacts of wiping out an entire industry. Either way 125,000 people earning that much money on average is about £8 billion in salaries. There's a lot of economic activity reliant on that £8 billion.
      Last edited by The Awesome Berbaslug!!!; 23-06-2018, 00:14.

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        Ah, he's getting his figure from a link in here.

        https://www.theguardian.com/politics...-brexit-impact

        It's for 2015, so it might not be that much every year. No breakdown, sadly.

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          Oxford Economics/ Airbus knocked up their document last June, I see. That was prescient.

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            It’s rarely ever mentioned but it’s not just the loss revenue that’s worrying, the lost-forever skills aspect is heartbreaking, once the aviation & aerospace expertise has gone, that’s it, it will have departed the UK for good. I fear for the UK automotive industry too, ~800,000 direct and indirect jobs. But not to worry because "business always finds a way", a Brexiter once assured me.

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              Originally posted by Pérou Flaquettes View Post
              But not to worry because " F*** business always finds a way", a Brexiter Boris Johnson once assured me.[/IMG]

              Fixed, according to today's Times and Telegraph.

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                McCluskey suitably strong v "Tory Brexit" but not entirely obvious Labour Brexit is going to save his members jobs. But whatever else we might say about McCluskey, he was better than Gerald Coyne who'd have virtually escorted Airbus to Toulouse himself.

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                  went on the march. A lot of people . Didn't move for ages. profile largely pretty old, bit like a giant convention of retired teachers. Chatted to someone who said ( a bit shamefacedly) that the last march they'd been on was the Countryside Alliance. A few trying the anti Corbyn stuff. "where's jeremy Corbyn?" but mostly people couldn't agree on a slogan.

                  Anyway though this thread was pretty good.

                  https://twitter.com/danielhowdon/status/1010537283840331778

                  Remember two years ago tomorrow the succession of Labour worthies began their serial resignations to try and get rid of Corbyn thus occupying all Labout activists and leaving the field to the Conservatives.

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                    Fair play for going along.

                    If we're doing anniversaries, it's also 2 years since Corbyn said activate Article 50 "now". He's been able to give the subject his full attention since, to mixed results. We could certainly have donemuch worse than him on the EU/immigration but it's never been his best subject.

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                      He did n't say "Activate Article Fifty now",I heard him He was asked what happened next. He said "I presume we activate Article Fifty". The very next news item was about Hillary Benn resigning., The momentum was lost entirely - Labour were not part of contributing to post referendum debate. for the next 6 month or so. hey ahve largely (by the BBC anyway) been loved out of the debate ever since.

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                        He took his time correcting that misunderstanding, if indeed it was one. And plenty of people interpreted his meaning of now as meaning very soon. Simon Wren-Lewis who was advising Labour at the time did, for example. Article 50 being activated this week would have stretched our capacity to prepare properly.

                        Labour got a lot of coverage in that leadership election, if nothing else. I don't recall Soft Brexit being a particular rallying point of his campaign. It could have been, he'd have still won, and it would have had a strong mandate behind it.

                        He was keen on regular leadership challenges before he became leader.
                        Last edited by Tubby Isaacs; 23-06-2018, 16:22.

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                          It was a tactical disaster which left the field entirely to the hard Brexiteers and loons. Labour was presented as both split and irrelevant - the BBC continued to regard the likes of Benn and Flint and Umunna (all with liberal helpings of anti freedom of movement rhetoric) as the true voice of Labour. Positions Corbyn was stating clearly like rights for all EU citizens here were lost.
                          Last edited by Nefertiti2; 23-06-2018, 16:30.

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                            Here's Corbyn's 2016 leadership manifesto.

                            Brexit comes at point 7 of 8, and only as securing rights of EU citizens. It's less important than nationalizing trains (or "railways" as he calls it). That's not somebody who would otherwise have been straining at the leash to lead the Brexit debate.

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                              Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                              It was a tactical disaster which left the field entirely to the hard Brexiteers and loons.
                              What would Corbyn have said? State Aid and make our own trade deals?

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                                He's still not tweeted about Airbus.

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                                  Liam Fox talking up No Deal today.

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                                    The same fucking gang are still fucking at it. Two years later.

                                    https://twitter.com/DenisWalker/status/1010529671337971717

                                    If they wanted the march to have a serious effect they would have got the Unions involved. The TSSA and others.

                                    They don't.

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                                        Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                                        The same fucking gang are still fucking at it. Two years later.

                                        https://twitter.com/DenisWalker/status/1010529671337971717

                                        If they wanted the march to have a serious effect they would have got the Unions involved. The TSSA and others.

                                        They don't.
                                        Really? So they want to undermine Corbyn, but didn't think getting unions involved would help that. Makes no sense at all.
                                        Last edited by Tubby Isaacs; 23-06-2018, 17:29.

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                                          Not that we need to be putting any great trust in "rebel" Tories after this week. But this, considering it came from the Business Secretary, is worth looking at (again).

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                                          Clark said UK businesses had regularly raised the need for the frictionless movement of staff to continue and he had got the message “loud and clear”.

                                          “I completely understand when companies say that they rely on efficient mobility as it currently stands, raising concerns that restricting people’s ability to travel at short notice would be as damaging to our economy as frictions and disruption at our borders,” he told a Liverpool business festival.

                                          Clark, a key ally of the prime minister who sits on her Brexit sub-committee, said fresh trade deals with countries outside the EU would not compensate for new barriers to selling services in Europe.

                                          “We need to recognise that the EU is by far and away the single biggest consumer of our services exports,” he said. About £90bn of services were exported to the EU in 2016, more than the UK’s next eight largest partners combined.

                                          “This extraordinary performance has been built on the back of established trading relationships with the EU,” he said. “As we leave the European Union, we must deliberately set out to maintain these rights and introduce as few new barriers to trade in services as possible. This is every bit as important as avoiding barriers in manufactured goods.”
                                          I didn't realize he was close to May- I thought he was just in the Cabinet in a Hammond sort of "we need someone sane" way.

                                          Johnson's contribution has been "Fuck business" and "no bog roll Brexit", so we shouldn't get too excited. But it could be the start of a shift?

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                                            Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
                                            Really? So they want to undermine Corbyn, but didn't think getting unions involved would help that. Makes no sense at all.
                                            They know they will get no support with that. Much easier to target the press. They appear to have no interest in building any kind of alliance. There were no stewards to speak of. No suggestions what the next step shpuld be, except trying to turn the attack on Corbyn.

                                            I went on the march. I feel tricked, frankly.

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                                              I've seen plenty of these people making the case for the second vote. I suppose they either persuade or they don't. We've not got much time.

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                                                I agree that this "Corbyn" targeting within Labour is tedious. I mean, Starmer's got the brief, and can't see he's doing much. This was his effort on Airbus.

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                                                Underwhelming.

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                                                  Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
                                                  What would Corbyn have said? State Aid and make our own trade deals?
                                                  The entire Labour Party was caught up in the leadership battle for, what, 4 months.

                                                  There was an opportunity to rule out no deal Brexit. Benn and the like in an act which was both vain and criminally negligent
                                                  priotitised getting rid of Corbyn ahead of fighting Brexit.

                                                  Its not about what Corbyn „would have done“.

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                                                    Yeah, 3-4 months, and I wish they'd last about 3 weeks. It was over and done with, Corbyn massively strengthened, about 6 months before Article 50. Plenty of time to do a lot better than he (and his frontbench team) have. He then set up (sensible) red lines for supporting Article 50, and then U-turned.

                                                    It's not his issue, never was.

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