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    Originally posted by Fussbudget View Post
    Haha. I was talking to a Lithuanian at work the other week as it happens. She's in her late 20s and is some kind of project manager in another government department, on about 40k a year.
    Fucking hell thats good money for Not London. My sister is a manager in a Landmark Embra Dept store and makes as much in pounds/euro current rates as a non college graduate to the Irish Civil Service starter grade. Where the “average industrial wage” is over 40k in Euros. Before the pound half collapsed that difference wasn’t as noticeable in terms of comparative spending power.

    Would imagine average is skewed by Dublin/mibees Cork wages and corresponding high cost of living. If I could take my present wages to the fucking Midlands, aye to Longford even, could live like a king. With a limited choice of eateries. But not finding the last week of the month a horror. My wages in Glasgow, I’d be buying a tenement gaff in the Fucking West End right away.

    But on British wage equivalent for the same job, if I went back would probably end up in fucking Cowdenbeath or Belshill. Taking the Megabus to Embra/Glasgow after another bus to Dunfermline/Hamilton. Training it when feeling flush. Wee bams setting fires in the close. Cats found dead and gutted in the bins. Cannae say fuck all to their maw.

    As well Brexit made my mind up for sure not tae go back.
    Last edited by Lang Spoon; 17-01-2018, 23:25.

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      Jesus, I knew OTF was going to jump all over "Lithuanian mechanical engineer" as soon as I wrote it.

      Three pages of it.

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        Tubby, the 'Google Tax' is my work area. I'm very much a minor cog.

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          Originally posted by antoine polus View Post
          Jesus, I knew OTF was going to jump all over "Lithuanian mechanical engineer" as soon as I wrote it.

          Three pages of it.
          well it's definitely a phenomenon, but depending on how well your labour market functions, it is one that fades with time.

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            Originally posted by Ginger Yellow View Post
            The nature of remittances is that they tend to make up a decently sizeable proportion of GDP for the recipient countries (5% to 15% is typical, I believe), but negligible for the countries sending them.
            Unless you're Kerala, and the amount of remittances are even higher. Many of the Nurses I encountered during my lengthy stay in hospital a few years back were from Kerala, and they were telling me about the rather bizarre set up they have there, that sounds like a high functioning version of what Ireland was at in the fifties, except instead of being a fundamentalist catholic shithole run by gombeenmen, they're communist.

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              Oh, I'm sure for certain sub-country regions it can be very high indeed, but it looks like India as a whole is around 3%. Nepal is 10 times as high, interestingly.

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                The previous president of Romania made a big speech once praising the diaspora for supporting the Romanian economy so heavily by sending so much money here and yet not troubling the welfare/health/pension systems. As you can imagine it didn't go down that well with many of his EU partners

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                  A few months ago, there was an outcry from the Swiss abroad community, when a top politician railed against those retiring abroad. They were "bad citizen" for not staying in the country and spending their pension money there...Many did not quite understand the logic, considering they were also abroad for all their health and social support needs, not impacting the services at home.

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                    Nigel Farage‏Verified account
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                    Why are we paying @EmmanuelMacron £45m and taking more migrants at the same time? That’s not a deal - it’s a humiliating capitulation by @theresa_may. #FarageOnLBC
                    Isn't Macron being kind settling this outside of the Brexit negotiations?

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                      Macron's politely told us about bears and forests too.

                      Accept FoM and pay in to the budget, and then "be my guest" on the Single Market.

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                        The Philippines has OFW's (Overseas Filipino Workers) who are borderline national heroes. They even have a separate line for immigration at Manila airport.

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                          In case you didn't already think that Stuart Maconie has become a tool, here's him back in March 2017 wittering on about "the legitimate concerns in the north and the Midlands about immigration"

                          https://www.newstatesman.com/politic...-persuade-them

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                            And legitimate concerns about "welfare" too.

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                              Dunno if I dislike Maconie or Harris more. At least Harris never thought he was funny.

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                                His hair's pretty funny.

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                                  Chelley Ryan #RJCOB‏
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                                  Projected wage growth, 2018.

                                  Poland: +3.8%
                                  Israel: +3%
                                  South Korea: +1.9%
                                  Sweden: +1.5%
                                  Ireland: +1.3%
                                  US: +1.2%
                                  Netherlands: +1.1%
                                  Portugal: +1.1%
                                  Norway: +1.1%
                                  Canada: +1%
                                  Germany: +0.9%
                                  France: +0.8%
                                  Australia: +0.4%
                                  Japan: +0.3%
                                  Greece: +0.2%
                                  Italy: -0.6%
                                  UK: -0.7%

                                  (OECD)
                                  Brexit plus Tories = Italy.

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                                    Actually, ignore Chelley Ryan.

                                    Brexit Is A Minefield For Labour -We Must Let Corbyn Guide Us Through It.
                                    What we definitely shouldn’t do is turn against the first socialist leader we have had for many decades. At a time when the future is scary and uncertain, we need Corbyn at the helm. Who else will give their all to ensure a fairer future for ordinary struggling people whatever happens post-Brexit? A right of Labour leader who wants us to stay in the single market while validating UKIP’s stance on immigration? A right of Labour leader who will shun the potential freedoms afforded by Brexit, such as the freedom to nationalise certain industries, because they prefer the path of more privatisation not less? A right of Labour leader who recoils at the idea of reversing corporation tax cuts to fund our ailing NHS or set up a national education service because they won’t say boo to big business? Because if we don’t back Corbyn and empathise with the difficult position he’s in, that’s what we’ll get. One day we will find ourselves on the other side of the Brexit minefield, but only if we stand by Corbyn. We must not let this precious resurgence of socialism become a Brexit fatality.

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                                      Israel: +3%
                                      Presumably not if you're Palestinian.

                                      Which exposes a wider flaw in every country: whose wages?

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                                        Some of that is bollocks, some of it is spot on. In context - arguing with a bunch of #FBPE-ers who've been trolling everybody with 'Corbyn needs to stop Brexit (as if he could) otherwise he'll lose my vote' - the sentiment is correct.

                                        Edit, to Tubby's quote.

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                                          There's a couple of things about it, John. First this "sit back and trust the leadership" isn't really in the spirit of Corbynism, is it? Plus, I'm not asking him to reverse Brexit. I'm asking for him to prepare for the (unpalatable) soft Brexit that can save us.

                                          More fundamentally, like Berba, I see "Hard Brexit plus Corbynism" as a contradiction. If you do Hard Brexit, you're chasing business, not laying down the law to it. I'm not going to back Hard Brexit because we can run the East Coast Mainline again.

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                                            That 'we must trust him, who else will do x,y or z'' is at best, simpering cockrot, at middling a cult-of-personality around a non-personality, and at worst, the sort of Führerprinzip that invalifdates any vaguely left of centre moveemnt from the off.

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                                              Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
                                              There's a couple of things about it, John. First this "sit back and trust the leadership" isn't really in the spirit of Corbynism, is it? Plus, I'm not asking him to reverse Brexit. I'm asking for him to prepare for the (unpalatable) soft Brexit that can save us.

                                              More fundamentally, like Berba, I see "Hard Brexit plus Corbynism" as a contradiction. If you do Hard Brexit, you're chasing business, not laying down the law to it. I'm not going to back Hard Brexit because we can run the East Coast Mainline again.
                                              We've done this a lot. He's not doing a hard Brexit. He doesn't want one. I don't know why you can't see this.

                                              Starmer's six tests will be the basis of the parliamentary vote on the terms of exit that Labour has won.

                                              To NHH. I agree. However the context she's arguing within there is restating - to a bunch of people that are positing the false dichotomy of Corbyn or Brexit - that the only hope for any vaguely left of centre movement at the moment is the one that Corbyn currently leads. Both within Labour and across the media there are folk that are trying to take him down, and if they do I'm afraid that'll be probably that - we can spend the rest of our days moaning about the Tory - or similar - government.

                                              As I say, some of it is bollocks. I agree with the last 3 sentences.

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                                                Yeah it's utter bollocks. It's really fortunate that JC is a bit too much of a woolly headed sheep to really ride this wave to its populist conclusions. unfortunately he's also too much of a woolly headed sheep to be any fucking good at his fucking job. That talk about nationalization indicates that there seems to be some effort to fight the battles of the eighties in eighties ways rather that considering the various different ways that you could take the east coast mainline back under public control under the EU.

                                                Meanwhile over in Ireland, we have a national twitter account, @Ireland. We pass it around from person to person, and the latest person to have the account is pissed off by this new Churchill movie, and has decided to dwell a bit more on the less explored aspects of Churchill's legacy (I.e. him being a genocidal, racist monster, and mental and moral degenerate. It's quite entertaining.

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                                                  Starmer's six tests will be the basis of the parliamentary vote on the terms of exit that Labour has won.
                                                  And if that vote doesn't pass, we get hard Brexit.

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                                                    Starmer's six tests are basically incompatible with each other, aren't they? Keep the benefits of single market and customs union without freedom of movement. How could any deal possibly meet this?

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