So, now that their bluff has been called, what are the DUP and the Hard Brexiteers going to do about it?
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Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post"Ominous comments from Arlene Foster: "We will not accept any form of regulatory divergence which separates NI economically or politically from the rest of the UK."
reminder the DUp who are claiming a veto with 36 percent of the vote in the North have no seats in border areas
Foster also didn't propose any solution of her own regarding the UK-ROI border and continuation of the Good Friday Agreement.
That's because they have no interest in the Good Friday Agreement. Remember, the DUP were against all Anglo-Irish agreements, including the Good Friday Agreement.
These psychopaths should be nowhere near the negotiating table. Yet they are propping up the Tory government.Last edited by anton pulisov; 04-12-2017, 14:42.
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Blame for collapsing the NIA is almost entirely with Sinn Fein. The Cash for Energy scandal even gave them an excuse, which they soon abandoned in favor of a 'rights' campaign. To speak what AP calls Klingon and so on. Basically because although almost anywhere else RHI would be easily understood as a political corruption story, but it doesn't fulfil the main NI requirement of the 2 blocs being on distinct sides. SF are just as potentially embarrassed by such issues as DUP are.
So the sacred GFA is as dead as a Tottenham title bid. NI Nats are in thrall to a party uninterested in deals, while the DUP are likely to win nearly all the Unionist seats in a mirror image 'Fear of a Fenian Planet'campaign.
As local hack Newton Emerson points out an effective sea border wouldn't be new- it applied fro 1939 to the early 50s and then again under the Terrorism Acts fro the 70s. OK only for movement of people not goods but the principle is thereLast edited by Duncan Gardner; 04-12-2017, 15:08.
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Sinn Fein not very reasonable either. The other side of the DUP coin, as you suggest. SF are, therefore, not in government coalition in Dublin. The Dublin government recognises that it has a responsibility to act neutral in Norn Iron matters. Even Fianna Fail wouldn't go near them, and Fianna Fail would sell out their own grannies for a mere whiff of power.
Meanwhile the DUP is propping up May's government in London. Pure stupidity on the part of May.
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Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View PostSteve Baker Brexiteer and assistant to David Davis in the Department of Brexit will be making a statement to the Conservative party (and not to the House of Commons) about 4
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At the moment NI isn't being given anything but a vague form of words both Ireland and the UK government, or at least the Tories, can live with until the next stumbling block in the negotiations. As far as May is concerned, "full alignment" just means that the border won't matter when we have a trade agreement.
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Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Postthe times
"Downing Street needs to shut this down fast. Sturgeon, Jones, Khan all demanding membership of the single market and customs union - even though it's unclear that this is what NI is being given"
Who'd have thought...
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it's getting fudgier apparently - The times claims wording is:
In absence of agreed solutions UK will ensure that there is continued regulatory alignment from those rules of internal market and customs union which, now or in the future, support North South co-operation and protection of the Good Friday agreement
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"it's going to boil down to meat, milk, electricity, canal boats and not much more, isn't it?"
statement from Juncker and May at 1650
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Originally posted by APThe Dublin government recognises that it has a responsibility to act neutral in Norn Iron matters
Meanwhile the DUP is propping up May's government in London. Pure stupidity on the part of May
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In absence of agreed solutions UK will ensure that there is continued regulatory alignment from those rules of internal market and customs union which, now or in the future, support North South co-operation and protection of the Good Friday agreement
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Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View PostBully for it- all that means in practice is keeping both SF and DUP at arms' length.
Because peace is fragile.
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Same applies in the Zuider Zee or Lappland, no?Last edited by anton pulisov; 04-12-2017, 16:18.
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That's democracy for you- they've both got a big fat mandate. Politics is about more than a cliched and euphemistic Peace Process.
Put another way- you can't reasonably hold up a new govt with 45% support because 2% in the sticks won't stop bickering.Last edited by Duncan Gardner; 04-12-2017, 16:31.
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Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View PostThat's democracy for you- they've both got a big fat mandate. Politics is about more than a cliched and euphemistic Peace Process
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It's a euphemism from the name onwards, because 'Process' suggests that the 'Peace' bit hasn't happened yet, and likely won't until one side gets further concessions. That makes the other side(s) less likely to compromise and just maintains the abnormal politics.
You can't keep up the pretence that a Brit Govt is neutral in the governing of Britain. Unless by kicking all the non-English MPs out of Parliament (and locking up Sadiq Khan judging by comments above)
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Originally posted by Flynnie View PostI'm a non-EU migrant, you think I have no fucking idea how much May hates the foreigns?
Irish citizens' rights are enshrined in law. May would have to repeal the Ireland Act. That isn't going to happen.
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You've been getting too close to that Kate Hoey at the football Duncan. Time to go to a few more Green party meetings.
There's a problem when a party that got 35 per cent of the vote in Northern ireland claims to speak for all the voters on brexit and demands and seems to be granted a veto (despite a majority of voters in N.I voting to remain).
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You can't keep up the pretence that a Brit Govt is neutral in the governing of Britain.
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