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    So, now that their bluff has been called, what are the DUP and the Hard Brexiteers going to do about it?

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      Steve Baker Brexiteer and assistant to David Davis in the Department of Brexit will be making a statement to the Conservative party (and not to the House of Commons) about 4

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        Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
        "Ominous comments from Arlene Foster: "We will not accept any form of regulatory divergence which separates NI economically or politically from the rest of the UK."

        reminder the DUp who are claiming a veto with 36 percent of the vote in the North have no seats in border areas
        Also: they have only 28 out of 90 seats in the NI assembly. It is likely that any proposal to move the customs border to the Irish Sea would sail through the assembly. But the DUP broke the assembly (on purpose?).

        Foster also didn't propose any solution of her own regarding the UK-ROI border and continuation of the Good Friday Agreement.

        That's because they have no interest in the Good Friday Agreement. Remember, the DUP were against all Anglo-Irish agreements, including the Good Friday Agreement.

        These psychopaths should be nowhere near the negotiating table. Yet they are propping up the Tory government.
        Last edited by anton pulisov; 04-12-2017, 14:42.

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          The Tories should tell Foster to shut the fuck up, if she doesn't like the deal then she can go talk to Jeremy Corbyn about it.

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            @AP-

            Blame for collapsing the NIA is almost entirely with Sinn Fein. The Cash for Energy scandal even gave them an excuse, which they soon abandoned in favor of a 'rights' campaign. To speak what AP calls Klingon and so on. Basically because although almost anywhere else RHI would be easily understood as a political corruption story, but it doesn't fulfil the main NI requirement of the 2 blocs being on distinct sides. SF are just as potentially embarrassed by such issues as DUP are.

            So the sacred GFA is as dead as a Tottenham title bid. NI Nats are in thrall to a party uninterested in deals, while the DUP are likely to win nearly all the Unionist seats in a mirror image 'Fear of a Fenian Planet'campaign.

            As local hack Newton Emerson points out an effective sea border wouldn't be new- it applied fro 1939 to the early 50s and then again under the Terrorism Acts fro the 70s. OK only for movement of people not goods but the principle is there
            Last edited by Duncan Gardner; 04-12-2017, 15:08.

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              Originally posted by Flynnie View Post
              The Tories should tell Foster to shut the fuck up, if she doesn't like the deal then she can go talk to Jeremy Corbyn about it.
              To paraphrase David St Hubbins, she is saying that but she's not literally saying that.

              She literally means it though.

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                Sinn Fein not very reasonable either. The other side of the DUP coin, as you suggest. SF are, therefore, not in government coalition in Dublin. The Dublin government recognises that it has a responsibility to act neutral in Norn Iron matters. Even Fianna Fail wouldn't go near them, and Fianna Fail would sell out their own grannies for a mere whiff of power.

                Meanwhile the DUP is propping up May's government in London. Pure stupidity on the part of May.

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                  Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                  Steve Baker Brexiteer and assistant to David Davis in the Department of Brexit will be making a statement to the Conservative party (and not to the House of Commons) about 4
                  Excellent. Sounds like he's walking. Back to High Wycombe, where he'll run into lots of Citizens of Nowhere and a decent sized minority population who'll be happy to boot him out.

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                    Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
                    Excellent. Sounds like he's walking. Back to High Wycombe, where he'll run into lots of Citizens of Nowhere and a decent sized minority population who'll be happy to boot him out.
                    i think he's just updating them.

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                      the times

                      "Downing Street needs to shut this down fast. Sturgeon, Jones, Khan all demanding membership of the single market and customs union - even though it's unclear that this is what NI is being given"

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                        Everything's going jolly well it seems (read up from the bottom*):



                        * Snigger

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                          At the moment NI isn't being given anything but a vague form of words both Ireland and the UK government, or at least the Tories, can live with until the next stumbling block in the negotiations. As far as May is concerned, "full alignment" just means that the border won't matter when we have a trade agreement.

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                            Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                            the times

                            "Downing Street needs to shut this down fast. Sturgeon, Jones, Khan all demanding membership of the single market and customs union - even though it's unclear that this is what NI is being given"
                            Seems like Brexit is a difficult mess.

                            Who'd have thought...

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                              it's getting fudgier apparently - The times claims wording is:

                              In absence of agreed solutions UK will ensure that there is continued regulatory alignment from those rules of internal market and customs union which, now or in the future, support North South co-operation and protection of the Good Friday agreement
                              other times journalist says "Ireland may have blinked, backing down on something that could - if anything - cause problems for them more than us further down the track."

                              another commentator

                              "it's going to boil down to meat, milk, electricity, canal boats and not much more, isn't it?"

                              statement from Juncker and May at 1650

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                                Katya Adler: "No deal today I’ve just been told"

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                                  Originally posted by AP
                                  The Dublin government recognises that it has a responsibility to act neutral in Norn Iron matters
                                  Bully for it- all that means in practice is keeping both SF and DUP at arms' length.

                                  Meanwhile the DUP is propping up May's government in London. Pure stupidity on the part of May
                                  We needed a government. There is always a possibility of it needing regional party support. Same applies in the Zuider Zee or Lappland, no? As I suggested that stuff about co-guaranteeing an international three-strand treaty is largely irrelevant. The GFA is only really about internal deals in NI and it's fairly obvious there's little chance of one lasting in the foreseeable future.

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                                    In absence of agreed solutions UK will ensure that there is continued regulatory alignment from those rules of internal market and customs union which, now or in the future, support North South co-operation and protection of the Good Friday agreement
                                    Meaningless rubbish.

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                                      Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View Post
                                      Bully for it- all that means in practice is keeping both SF and DUP at arms' length.
                                      Yes, exactly. SF should be nowhere near Dublin government and DUP nowhere near London government.

                                      Because peace is fragile.

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                                      Same applies in the Zuider Zee or Lappland, no?
                                      No. I don't remember a delicate peace being brokered in these regions after decades of sectarian violence.
                                      Last edited by anton pulisov; 04-12-2017, 16:18.

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                                        That's democracy for you- they've both got a big fat mandate. Politics is about more than a cliched and euphemistic Peace Process.

                                        Put another way- you can't reasonably hold up a new govt with 45% support because 2% in the sticks won't stop bickering.
                                        Last edited by Duncan Gardner; 04-12-2017, 16:31.

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                                          Originally posted by Duncan Gardner View Post
                                          That's democracy for you- they've both got a big fat mandate. Politics is about more than a cliched and euphemistic Peace Process
                                          Euphemistic? The general cessation of sectarian violence in Northern Ireland has been fairly tangible. It was achieved in part by neutral mediation by the UK, Irish and US governments, who adhered to a principle of treating Unionists and Nationalists as equals at the negotiation table. Having the DUP essentially in coalition in the UK government significantly devalues that principle of equal treatment.

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                                            It's a euphemism from the name onwards, because 'Process' suggests that the 'Peace' bit hasn't happened yet, and likely won't until one side gets further concessions. That makes the other side(s) less likely to compromise and just maintains the abnormal politics.

                                            You can't keep up the pretence that a Brit Govt is neutral in the governing of Britain. Unless by kicking all the non-English MPs out of Parliament (and locking up Sadiq Khan judging by comments above)

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                                              Originally posted by Flynnie View Post
                                              I'm a non-EU migrant, you think I have no fucking idea how much May hates the foreigns?

                                              Irish citizens' rights are enshrined in law. May would have to repeal the Ireland Act. That isn't going to happen.
                                              Sorry, didn't mean to be upsetting. I meant that she treats EU citizens, if anything was possible, even worse. She's an equal opportunities xenophobe.

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                                                You've been getting too close to that Kate Hoey at the football Duncan. Time to go to a few more Green party meetings.

                                                There's a problem when a party that got 35 per cent of the vote in Northern ireland claims to speak for all the voters on brexit and demands and seems to be granted a veto (despite a majority of voters in N.I voting to remain).

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                                                  kuennsberg "Hearing it was the DUP call that sunk today's chances of a deal - Foster held her press conf, 20 mins later May leaves talks with Juncker to call her, goes back into the room and the deal is off"

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                                                    You can't keep up the pretence that a Brit Govt is neutral in the governing of Britain.
                                                    Your argument for there being no issue with the DUP being in government in Westminster is essentially that Northern Ireland is just another part of the UK for the British parliament to govern. But Northern Ireland isn't just another part of the UK like all the others, and peace was negotiated very much upon the recognition of Northern Ireland being a problem chi... erm... unique place.

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