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    Amusing quote in the FT from an unnamed UK official saying "We can't live on promises" in relation to putting a trade deal superseding the backstop in the political declaration. Living on promises is of course exactly what the UK has been proposing for the border all along.

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      https://www.theguardian.com/business...ay-week-brexit

      Jaguar Land Rover has announced that more than 3,000 staff will move to a three-day week at its Castle Bromwich plant in the West Midlands.
      Castle Bromwich is in Solihull borough. 56.2% vote for Brexit.

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        The constituency estimate (Meriden) is even worse than the borough vote. 58% leave (per Hanretty).

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          Originally posted by ursus arctos View Post
          It is sort of addressed in the RTE piece that DR posted
          Ah! Right. So the border will remain at the Irish Sea. I can't imagine that the Unionists who're propping up the current British government are going to be ecstatic about that outcome.

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            They're not ecstatic about the Corbyn-McDonnell ticket either.

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              Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
              The constituency estimate (Meriden) is even worse than the borough vote. 58% leave (per Hanretty).
              Good on them, they'll have more time to celebrate the precious freedom they gained by voting for Brexit, they can go and wave flags on their days off...

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                Originally posted by Benjm View Post
                Good of Michael Gove to pop up yesterday and remind everyone that any commitment by the British government should best be regarded as ephemeral and worthless.
                Remember. He's the smart one.

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                  As in, an expert...? *runs and hides*

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                    Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
                    https://www.theguardian.com/business...ay-week-brexit



                    Castle Bromwich is in Solihull borough. 56.2% vote for Brexit.
                    I suspect that this has a lot to do with JLR throwing their lot in with the laughable notion that diesel is "green", which was the easy lie, sorry, solution to the emissions regulations which the car manufacturers put forward when faced with the choice of developing proper EVs like that looney in California (and thus, in many ways understandably, not wanting to spend container ships full of cash on solving the problem) or faking it which was cheaper and more palatable for politicians to swallow.

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                      Spain likes the cut of Barnier's Gib:

                      http://twitter.com/MichelBarnier/status/1041689615852285952

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                        Originally posted by Eggchaser View Post
                        I suspect that this has a lot to do with JLR throwing their lot in with the laughable notion that diesel is "green", which was the easy lie, sorry, solution to the emissions regulations which the car manufacturers put forward when faced with the choice of developing proper EVs like that looney in California (and thus, in many ways understandably, not wanting to spend container ships full of cash on solving the problem) or faking it which was cheaper and more palatable for politicians to swallow.
                        Given that Jaguar are about the only UK car maker taking EV seriously - making a long range, high performance model to compete with Tesla rather than weird 75 mile runabouts or phevs, I'd say you're pretty wide of the mark.

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                          erm don't nissan make the biggest selling EV in the world? (admittedly not in sunderland, but still)

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                            Between a rock and a head case?

                            https://www.ft.com/content/1e551f02-...2-17176fbf93f5

                            Your move, Dr Fox?


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                            https://www.ft.com/content/1e551f02-...2-17176fbf93f5

                            The socialist government of Pedro Sánchez wants the UK’s withdrawal treaty to include a so-called “protocol” on the disputed British territory, a request that goes beyond the original plans of EU negotiators, according to people close to the talks.

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                              We haven't had much Hannan inanity recently, so here you go

                              What if we removed all trade barriers among a group of compatible countries — countries, in other words, with the same legal systems, accountancy methods, business norms and wage levels?

                              ...

                              Its core idea is simple: What is legal in one country should automatically be legal in the other. Mutual recognition should cover goods, services and professional qualifications. If a drug is approved by the FDA, that should be good enough for the Brits. If a trader can practice in the City of London, he should be free to work on Wall Street. Where there are different standards, businesses should be free to follow whichever they prefer — something that will lead, unprecedentedly, to downward pressure on regulations.
                              Yeah, I'm sure the US would just love to open up dollar clearing. Also, I'm sure that the description of US and UK accounting systems as the same would come a surprise to anyone who has tried to reconcile IFRS and US GAAP numbers. Still, at least the UK legal system, with its federal and state courts, written constitution, political appointees and elected judges, will be familiar to Americans.

                              And why stop at the U.S. and Britain? There are other English-speaking common-law countries whose systems of corporate government and professional credentials resemble ours. Shouldn’t we aim to extend mutual recognition to all countries with interoperable systems and equivalent levels of GDP per head, such as Canada, Hong Kong, Singapore, Australia and New Zealand?
                              That would be Hong Kong, where private freehold ownership of land is illegal, Singapore, which is a one party state, Canada and Australia which have federal systems and completely different financial regulations, and New Zealand, to which we export a whopping £1bn of goods and services.
                              Last edited by Ginger Yellow; 18-09-2018, 09:29.

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                                Also, the latest select committee report is out:
                                Negotiators have agreed that there must be a backstop option in the Withdrawal
                                Agreement to protect an open trade border on the island of Ireland, otherwise
                                there can be no deal. We welcome the fact that the European Commission has
                                said that it has no objection to a UK-wide backstop “in principle”. This is the only
                                approach that will prevent an economic border from being drawn in the Irish Sea
                                which would not be acceptable. However, time is running out and therefore the
                                European Commission must show more flexibility and a willingness to work with
                                the Government to find a practical solution. (Paragraph 23)
                                4. In the Joint Report of December 2017, the Government accepted responsibility for
                                proposing specific solutions to address the unique circumstances of the island of
                                Ireland, and while we welcome the Government’s publication of its own backstop
                                proposal it is becoming a matter of serious concern to us that it is not complete. It
                                does not explain how regulatory checks—which are more onerous than those that
                                relate to VAT, excise or tariffs—would be eliminated, and it does not explain fully
                                how a backstop, which must meet the objectives in the December 2017 Joint Report,
                                can be “time limited”. Without a workable backstop proposal to solve the Irish
                                border question there will be no Withdrawal Agreement. As a matter of urgency,
                                the Government must set out clearly how it intends to eliminate regulatory checks
                                at the border and how the backstop might be time limited when, by definition, it
                                would need to remain in place until such time as an alternative arrangement that
                                would achieve the same outcome could be implemented. (Paragraph 24)
                                The progress of the UK’s negotiations on EU withdrawal ( 4 June to September 2018)
                                5. The Government has not set out the full extent of the rules that are necessary
                                to maintain North-South cooperation on the island of Ireland, which have been
                                scoped in a joint mapping exercise between the Government and the European
                                Commission. We note that the exercise is subject to ongoing negotiations, but we
                                were told in April that the Government was hopeful that these would be concluded
                                “soon”. We call on both sides to conclude these negotiations and to provide the
                                results of the mapping exercise to us as soon as possible. (Paragraph 25)
                                6. We think it is essential that the joint commitment to avoid a hard border in the
                                Withdrawal Agreement is reflected in the Political Declaration and ensured in the
                                future relationship. (Paragraph 26)
                                7. Since our last report on the progress of the negotiations in May 2018, we have
                                not seen any progress between the two sides on agreeing how disputes over the
                                provisions in the Withdrawal Agreement should be settled. We acknowledge that
                                the European Union will wish to preserve the autonomy of the CJEU to interpret EU
                                law, but it should recognise that the Withdrawal Agreement is a deal between two
                                sides. In August 2017, the Government set out a range of possible dispute settlement
                                mechanisms and models of arbitration that are common in international agreements,
                                but it did not declare which one it preferred. We repeat our recommendation from
                                our May 2018 report that the Government set out its preferred arrangement for
                                dispute resolution. (Paragraph 33)
                                8. There has been renewed debate in the UK on the prospect of the UK leaving the
                                European Union without a Withdrawal Agreement. It is in the interests of both
                                sides to successfully conclude negotiations on the Withdrawal Agreement, so that
                                the 21-month transition/implementation period is secured, and that certainty
                                is provided for citizens and businesses in the European Union and the UK. It is
                                clear that there would be significant consequences for the UK and the European
                                Union from a no deal outcome. We remain of the view that this would be chaotic
                                and damaging for the UK economy and would leave many businesses facing huge
                                uncertainty. (Paragraph 44)
                                9. In many areas, the Government’s no deal contingency planning rests on the European
                                Union taking reciprocal action to minimise harm. This assumes that, if no deal
                                is reached, there would be sufficient goodwill between the two sides that specific
                                sectoral agreements could still be reached to minimise damage to the UK and EU
                                economies. When we met Michel Barnier, he ruled this out and we would ask the
                                Government to respond to his statement. Furthermore, even if both sides wanted to
                                work together to find ways to mitigate the worst effects, it is far from clear that there
                                would be enough time to negotiate, agree and implement any sectoral deals before
                                the UK leaves the European Union at the end of March 2019. The Government has
                                said that further technical notices will be published throughout September. We will
                                take further evidence on these and the effects of a potential no deal exit from the
                                European Union. We think it particularly important that there should be a notice
                                covering the Irish border issue. We also call upon the Government to publish the
                                country by country assessments on EU member states’ economic interests that the
                                Department has undertaken. (Paragraph 45)

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                                  Originally posted by hobbes View Post
                                  Given that Jaguar are about the only UK car maker taking EV seriously - making a long range, high performance model to compete with Tesla rather than weird 75 mile runabouts or phevs, I'd say you're pretty wide of the mark.
                                  Without wishing to shitfight, whilst the I-Pace is a nice enough vehicle, it falls somewhat short on range if it's being pitched against the Tesla Model X (which it shouldn't be, but is) is being made in extremely low numbers and Magna, the company who make it, seem to be in "production hell", it's not really a serious contender. A good start, and JLR, well, Jaguar in any case, are looking towards EVs in a more serious manner, but the group as a whole lustily threw in it's lot with their diesels for the company car BIK crew and are suffering now that people are finally waking up to what a fucking disaster diesels are for public health, never mind the climate change aspect.

                                  P.S. "Weird 75 mile runabouts?" I suppose that the Ion and I-Miev are still just about in production, and there is a nice amount of first generation 24 kWh Leafs about but the current and next generation of (serious) EVs are not in that category. The Renault Zoe will do 200-250 miles real world, Hyundai and Kia have just launched EVs that do the thick end of 300 miles and even my Ioniq, which only has a 28 kWH battery, will do 120-150 miles.

                                  The problem with EVs is not that the technology doesn't exist - it does - it's that the legacy manufacturers are facing huge issues with the change batteries bring to everything they do, and are reacting by producing mild hybrid bullshit, compliance cars, getting investigated by the EU for cartels, actively lobbying for reductions or delays in emissions regulations or barking up the wrong tree with fuel cells.

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                                    There are quite a few of us here who are UK citizens living in Europe. This is quite a useful checklist for us https://britishineurope.org/the-brit...eal-checklist/

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                                      That's as useful as it is grim.

                                      And it isn't a bad list of things for expats to at least think about, whether they are directly affected by Brexit or not.

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                                        It's amazing they're still having problems with the border. Marcus Fysh told everybody he'd solved it ages ago.

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                                          Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                          There are quite a few of us here who are UK citizens living in Europe. This is quite a useful checklist for us https://britishineurope.org/the-brit...eal-checklist/
                                          I take it you've read the UK report about ending FoM from the EU, then:

                                          https://www.theguardian.com/politics...sory-committee

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                                            Is May seriously suggesting an NI referendum on the backstop?

                                            https://www.politico.eu/article/ther...on-eu-demands/

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                                              https://twitter.com/SteveBakerHW/status/1042372356142968834

                                              Do they even know what current US trade policy is?

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                                                https://twitter.com/BorderIrish/status/1042315586242596865

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                                                  https://twitter.com/GeorgeWParker/status/1042424760695775233

                                                  At least three EU members have live experience of same.

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                                                    The utter lack of awareness, and self awareness of the UK govt is staggering. I mean it's one thing to strongly suspect something, but it's quite another thing to see it in action over such a protracted period of time.

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