Corbyn demanding to know whether the UK parliament can unilaterally withdraw from the backstop. Sure sounds like a remainer...
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Originally posted by Ginger Yellow View PostCorbyn demanding to know whether the UK parliament can unilaterally withdraw from the backstop. Sure sounds like a remainer...
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Originally posted by Ginger Yellow View PostPeter Bone signalling support for a no-confidence vote.
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- Jan 2012
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- The Hammers, until Mark Noble goes.(he's still there, sort of)
- Garibaldi, dipped in tea.
Originally posted by Janik View PostThat is pretty well an admission that Langie is right and Labour have achieved nothing on this issue, isn't it?
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Originally posted by johnr View PostIt's a recognition that, because they don't have a parliamentary majority, either way they went on Brexit would have still ended up where we are - but that the best (only? - unless anyone's got a better idea...) strategy to get that majority would be to hold the Tories to deliver what they promised (the six tests), and watch them implode under its own contradictions whenever the crunch came. It may not work, but it's looking a fair enough bet at the moment.
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Via BBC liveblog:
Conservative Martin Vickers says that he is pleased to hear that the UK will be leaving the Common Fisheries Policy. He asks who will be able to fish in UK waters after the Brexit deal is signed.
Mrs May says it will be "the UK negotiating on the UK's behalf" on fishing rights.
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Originally posted by MoonlightShadow View PostThat man is so utterly stupid that I seriously doubt I will be able to ever vote Labour again as long as he is there...
In a best case scenario, Brexit is the economic equivalent of throwing yourself in front of a train. All that this fucking around about the backstop will achieve is that we'll cut your throat on the platform, and put the corpse of your economy in a fucking gibbet. And by We I mean the EU, but mostly the Irish Govt. Things will get pretty fucking horrible in the short term, but the Irish govt is being backed into a corner where either we allow the UK to tear up the Good Friday agreement, or we cripple your economy and keep beating it until your govt sees sense, (at enormous cost to us. An enormous cost, that is still lower than allowing the UK to tear up the good friday agreement)
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Jesus Christ. His strategy has been the same for fucking months, criticising the government for not getting the deal they promised they would get, and let the Tories kill each other. You may or may not think it's a good strategy but it'd be a relief not to have the same fucking argument each time the same fucking thing happens.
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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostMay can resign as PM and we still don’t get an election. What grand strategy is this? Ireland and the EU also watch Commons debates.
And if they lose a confidence vote, they get 2 weeks to overturn it, under the Fixed Terms Parliament Act.
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- Jan 2012
- 3297
- Worthing
- The Hammers, until Mark Noble goes.(he's still there, sort of)
- Garibaldi, dipped in tea.
Originally posted by MoonlightShadow View PostThat man is so utterly stupid that I seriously doubt I will be able to ever vote Labour again as long as he is there...
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Fair enough; some have been tweeting that quote out as if it was what he believed, rather than using it to tease May. It's a febrile atmosphere...
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- Jan 2012
- 3297
- Worthing
- The Hammers, until Mark Noble goes.(he's still there, sort of)
- Garibaldi, dipped in tea.
Labour's policy has always been that, to get a good Brexit deal, it should be them negotiating it; failing that (given timing etc), they would back May if she passed the six tests (which are based on the original outline from the Tories) - but given that the current deal, by all accounts, is a very bad Brexit deal, they shouldn't be 'conducive to it', they should try and bring it/her down.
Remain is a very different kettle of fish.
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There are some fears among those MPs that there is wording in the future partnership agreement text that prefigures a full independent negotiation of fishing rights
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I know the opposition are trying to split the Tories with their complaints about a halfway house that's neither fish nor fowl - or whatever the weird metaphor of the day is.
But wasn't this the only possible outcome all along - how else can you have no border in Ireland and no border in the Irish Sea without Britain effectively remaining subject to EU regulations and keeping free movement and so on?
And, also, isn't this also the least terrible of all the possible outcomes if we do have to leave the EU?
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