Will the Margin be important? If she wins by even one vote she's there for another year, if enen if she loses, she'll refuse to accept it, and they'll have to shoot her with a tranquilizer gun to get her out of the building
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Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View PostI thought he did reasonably well, though not bringing up the no confidence vote seemed an astounding miss.
Anyway, it was always going to end up with the Tories tearing themselves apart because Europe has been tying them in knots ever since I can remember.
Interesting quote on the Guardian's live feed that May "now understands she has to get a Brexit deal the DUP can support" following the 1922 meeting. A couple of things I wondered about between the lines:
1) Even with a May victory, the vote might be enough for the Brexiteers to drag her towards no deal
2) Keeping the DUP out of Labour's clutches is more important than screwing over the rest of the country
The EU isn't daft - if they think this is the start of a swing to no deal, and have reacted accordingly, I don't see enough evidence to doubt them.
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I've come round to this deal. It fucks me it fucks my family it fucks a lot of people I care about, but Europe is better off without this shitshow. This arrogant country with its arrogant cunts. The political class the media the fucked up twats who run the place and think everyone should simply to listen to them. Fuck them all.
Sorry.
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Too many people I care about are going to be hurt by this, financially certainly, and perhaps in more important ways. So I hope something vaguely sane can be rescued from this megalomaniacal clusterfuck, but it's not looking good.
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- Jan 2012
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- Worthing
- The Hammers, until Mark Noble goes.(he's still there, sort of)
- Garibaldi, dipped in tea.
Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View Post(edit - to the two posters above AdC, and Johnr's "left-wing" friend)
Nah, that's not on. You've got to try and do the right thing for the people whose lives this will fuck up. If you want to be on the left, like.
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A reporter on ITN news just said that the Brexit goons, anticipating an underwhelming result in the no confidence vote, are putting the blame on it all happening too quickly. It's not even that they have short memories; they seem to exist in a state akin to alcoholic blackout where no memories are even formed.
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Be humbled by their status in the world and then come crawling back a little more understanding of the meaning of the word partnership.
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I understand that this comes from a place of justified anger, but it's all a bit "the workers need to starve in order for them to deserve our socialism" for me.
I can't see how you're sparing anything other than rhetorical suffering in Europe by causing actual suffering here.Last edited by Lucy Waterman; 12-12-2018, 19:12.
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- Jan 2012
- 3291
- Worthing
- The Hammers, until Mark Noble goes.(he's still there, sort of)
- Garibaldi, dipped in tea.
Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View PostI understand that this comes from a place of justified anger, but it's all a bit "the workers need to starve in order for them to deserve our socialism" for me.
I can't see how you're sparing anything other than rhetorical suffering in Europe by causing actual suffering here.
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Originally posted by ad hoc View PostWell I care about people in Europe too. I seriously think the best thing now is for the UK to leave. Be humbled by their status in the world and then come crawling back a little more understanding of the meaning of the word partnership.
The Italian lesson would suggest that a lot of people are going to take refuge in political fantasy, and the others will just become unashamed open fascists. People would sooner kill other people than admit they were wrong about something.
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Originally posted by Lucy Waterman View PostI understand that this comes from a place of justified anger, but it's all a bit "the workers need to starve in order for them to deserve our socialism" for me.
I can't see how you're sparing anything other than rhetorical suffering in Europe by causing actual suffering here.
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Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View PostThe Italian lesson would suggest that a lot of people are going to take refuge in political fantasy, and the others will just become unashamed open fascists. People would sooner kill other people than admit they were wrong about something.
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostThis isn’t going to happen as long as they are led by a Boycott devotee who is nonetheless thought soft and wet by a significant minority of the Parliamentary party (and perhaps a majority of the members).
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