The Brexit Thread

[Tubby Isaacs]

The UK red lines are fucking up doing a decent trade deal, but do they rule out an aviation deal as well? I don't know much about this.

I don't say it would carry on exactly as it is now, but I dunno, just seems like full on grounding would be a bit full on in a very conspicuous way.

[Tubby Isaacs]

The delusion is strong with this one.

Who can argue with his "everyone knowledgeable"?

[Diable Rouge]

The euro could well be above 90p again by the weekend:

https://xe.com/currencyconverter/con...rom=EUR&To=GBP

[johnr]

What would Labour recommend in it?

I think we'll have to see - if Labour are in power doing the negotiating by then, it's a very different scenario. As you may remember from 100's of pages back, I've been a 'let's get as soft a Brexit as possible (as disastrous as that in itself is), then Labour stand on the following election on rejoining as soon as we can' sort of fella.

[Tubby Isaacs]

It would certainly be much better if Labour were negotiating. I was thinking of the sort of situation Justine Greening was proposing, where the referendum would be put forward as a means of resolving the Parliamentary stalemate, without a general election. I don't know myself if I'd call for Remain or Soft Brexit, so I accept it's not easy.

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

The UK red lines are fucking up doing a decent trade deal, but do they rule out an aviation deal as well? I don't know much about this.

I don't say it would carry on exactly as it is now, but I dunno, just seems like full on grounding would be a bit full on in a very conspicuous way.

Think about it this way. if the UK is leaving with a no deal brexit, they will have a) welched on their debt to the EU. b) not protected the EU's citizens in a way that the EU would like and c) lead to a hard border on the island of Ireland. I would expect a lot of things to change.

[Nefertiti2]

If you thought we were fucked before...

https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1020034990569066497

[Tubby Isaacs]

That isn't much of a development. Though it won't help that NI looks like it's going into recession.

[Nefertiti2]

Of course it's a development. She's publicly tearing up the backstop she agreed in December so that talks could progress

https://twitter.com/PeterKGeoghegan/status/1020040038740971521

[Satchmo Distel]

Are we headed for No Deal then?

[Nefertiti2]

looks increasingly like it

https://twitter.com/OfficeGreenJean/status/1019915710024298501

meanwhile the trump threads and the Brexit threads are moving closer together...

https://twitter.com/prgarnett/status/1020052287304224769

[Tubby Isaacs]

David Davis ages ago said that what was agreed in December wasn't really agreed. I don't know if he had to walk that back, but I can't remember it.

I suppose it's a bit different for the PM to say it standing on a stage like this.

[Tubby Isaacs]

The VAT thing could be even worse that it first looked to me. This bloke campaigns against VAT fraud, so probably knows what he's talking about.

Richard Allen RAVAS
@TheRising_Moon
6h6 hours ago
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UK government will allow a VAT evaders charter in case of no deal Brexit. HMRC will be unable to collect import VAT due to the huge volume of parcels. Expect industrial levels of VAT evasion on goods sold to UK consumers by mail. UK retail will suffer

[Tubby Isaacs]

A bit of light relief, courtesy of Alan Beattie. The big building in the middle is the European Commission building. You'll notice the big red pin by a restaurant serving Argentinian steaks.

The significance of this is that Daniel Hannan the other day said the EU banned Argentinian beef.

[anton pulisov]

A shit ton of US - EU transatlantic flights cross UK airspace. Not to mention the vast majority of Ireland - EU flights.

I honestly don't see Ireland banning UK flights overflying Ireland.

[Diable Rouge]

A shit ton of US - EU transatlantic flights cross UK airspace. Not to mention the vast majority of Ireland - EU flights.

I honestly don't see Ireland banning UK flights overflying Ireland.

It was a misinterpretation of Gavan Reilly's tweet - Leo was referring to the EU Open Skies agreement and EASA, rather than solely Irish airspace, and in any event, it appears a Chicago Convention governs overflights, so even with no deal, Ireland and the UK could overfly each other's space, just not land at airports therein.

[Diable Rouge]

Barnier press conference live now - key point is that he wants backstop discussions next week with the UK.

[Tubby Isaacs]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-44890199

Leadsom says Chequers plan is "final offer".

She can't be long in the Cabinet, can she?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Priti Patel MP
@patel4witham
‘Yesterday’s debate was dominated by people who have never run complex supply chains who were unwilling to accept they work fine with non EU as well as with EU parts’. Well said @johnredwood

Non-EU suppliers are just supposed to spring up, are they?

How does she explain Airbus etc?

[The Awesome Berbaslug!!!]

It's really depressing how stupid this whole backstop thing is. Really depressing. The DUP are so fucking stupid. Theresa May is so fucking stupid. The whole British Govt is stupid. These people have no idea what they're lining themselves up for.

Northern Ireland is going to go into recession the next time figures are announced. The GDP of Ireland grew by 7.2% last year, or our GNP grew by 4.4% (which is closer to the real growth rate) What is the fucking point of Northern Ireland? What is in it for Unionists?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Michel Barnier dismisses Theresa May's Brexit white paper demands

EU’s Brexit negotiator raises concerns over smuggling, red tape and putting European companies at a competitive disadvantage

I like his style, attacking the Tories for "red tape".

[Diable Rouge]

The idiocy is strong with this one:

https://mobile.twitter.com/andrew_li...31187452162048

[Toby Gymshorts]

Are you trying to force my blood pressure up?

[Tubby Isaacs]

Chris Philp MP bullshitting about Ireland being aked to "vote again".

He's also trying to make out that Vote Leave cheating doesn't matter because the government put out an expensive leaflet.

[ad hoc]

Gary Younge on fine form as usual


It’s never their fault: why the Brexiteers love to cry betrayal

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...y_to_clipboard