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    Liam Foxy sounding surprisingly open to transition, by the look of it. We've got them on the run. Now, if farmers could get their arses in gear...

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      Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
      If I were in corbyn's position, I would have campaigned on an anti austerity ticket, pointing out that the Uk's problems had nothing to do with the EU and everything to do with the Tories, and that historically the EU is the only thing in the world interested in regional development in the UK. And crucially if elected would drive an EU wide Move to tax companies, and end austerity. And when elected, use the EU to help smash the UK's network of tax havens. (I'd keep that bit secret though)
      That's sort of what his whole 'Remain and Reform' approach to the Referendum was about, maybe without the regional development bit.

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        The reform bit was the bit that revealed that they knew nothing about the EU. All of the complaints about how the EU operates fell into two distinct categories. the first was how the UK interprets and implements EU regulations within the UK, and a second was a list of things that the EU wants to do but is stopped from doing so primarily by the UK govt. There was never any sense from the remain camp that the UK was basically every bit as influential in the shaping and running of the EU as Germany or France.

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          Jeremy Hunt hits back at Airbus over Brexit warnings on jobs
          Minister says comments from businesses risk undermining Theresa May in talks with EU
          Airbus have totally rattled them, they don't know what to say. May's listening, Greg Clark hears them "loud and clear", some are talking even more rubbish than Hunt.

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            They have obviously agreed to stick with the nonsensical "telling the EU what a disaster 'no deal' will be weakens our negotiating hand" as if it actually was a poker game and the EU didn't know exactly what was in the UK's hand.

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              Does Hunt understand who owns Airbus?

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                Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
                Predictably the first response says Siemens needs to "respect the people's vote".
                The BBC matched the head of Simens UK whom employ 14 000 people inthe Uk and have a turnover of 6 billion with a seventy year old bloke who has a factory employing 200 people and a turnover of about 13 million a year. Bloke said when Airbus leave we should make the whole plane. We've got Rolls Royce after all.

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                  I had wondered whether the BBC was starting to realise how misleading and disastrous for national life its policy of 'balancing' opinions regardless of evidence and facts has been. Silly me.

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                    have obviously agreed to stick with the nonsensical "telling the EU what a disaster 'no deal' will be weakens our negotiating hand" as if it actually was a poker game and the EU didn't know exactly what was in the UK's hand.


                    Professional idiot John Rentoul was talking in the same terms as that re the Rebels last week. He also thinks the SNP complaints re devolution are a ball of smoke about grievance generating on fracking. Stupid cunt.
                    Last edited by Lang Spoon; 24-06-2018, 14:01.

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                      You know what I love, and what’s totally not redundant? Saying what people should have done in the past but didn’t.

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                        Originally posted by HeavyDracula View Post
                        You know what I love, and what’s totally not redundant? Saying what people should have done in the past but didn’t.
                        It's not just about what they should have done though. What they did wrong in the past, and what they are doing wrong now, both come from the same root, and they can change direction at any time, if only they had the faintest fucking idea of what is happening. Labour and their inability to grasp what is happening is a major part of why people haven't been talking about the damage leaving the single market, and leaving the customs union will do.

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                          Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                          The BBC matched the head of Simens UK whom employ 14 000 people inthe Uk and have a turnover of 6 billion with a seventy year old bloke who has a factory employing 200 people and a turnover of about 13 million a year. Bloke said when Airbus leave we should make the whole plane. We've got Rolls Royce after all.
                          See also the fish processor bloke who popped up in the referendum, who wanted to leave the EU because he'd printed up some labels wrong and had to redo to the meet the agreed format.

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                            Freight Transport Association very worried too. They're maybe a bit more a "Tory" sort of thing- they like the government not putting up fuel duty etc. If they and farmers can do a blockade, we might get somewhere.

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                              ... If Airbus supply chain is threatened by disruption, who will be disrupting? Not the UK government! And in the end neither EU not France will want to hurt Airbus, deal or no deal.
                              There you go. Whatever happens, won't be the government's fault. See also "won't be us putting up a border".

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                                There will be Emergency Powers in six months the way this is going.

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                                  Brexit means food riots, and the SAS back to their best on the Border.

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                                    Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
                                    There you go. Whatever happens, won't be the government's fault. See also "won't be us putting up a border".
                                    I love the way that they don't get that leaving the customs union, means moving from inside the customs border, to being on the other fucking side.

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                                      They get it, alright. They just couldn't give a shit as long as all the leavers continue to swallow it.

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                                        I don't think lots of them do get it. Including some Dexeu ministers and Spads.

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                                          I genuinely don't think that David Davis understands this.

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                                            He might. Baker, Braverman and defeated MP, Stewart Jackson, probably don't.

                                            I see Guto Bebb, Welsh Tory Defence Minister, has ticked off the Welsh Tory leader for being "unhelpful" re Airbus. Bebb isn't the best, but Airbus do come under his brief. He can see the cluster fuck.

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                                              Not unhelpful, inflammatory.

                                              Ouch.

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                                                Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                                                Another good (and long) piece by Anthony Barnett. for me one of the best British commentators on Brexit.
                                                That Anthony Barnett article is very interesting and is a very good articulation of something that is a lot easier to see if you live in a small country, than a big one. Irish people are generally in favour of Someone who isn't fianna Fail, sitting down and coming up with rules for all the things that need rules, but you don't want to have to think about. Then if you follow those rules, you can sell your stuff anywhere in Europe. Aside from that regulations like this forced the end of the marriage bar in the civil service, ended different pay rates for men and women, and generally helped us make huge social advances. (A lot of these things had already happened in the UK, so people didn't notice this so much in the UK) and we know that without the European Union we'd have no environmental regulations whatsoever. But the simplification of access to foreign markets, and in importing goods is a huge thing for us, and a major component of our economic strategy that we've been following in one form or another since 1958.

                                                Essentially you know that the Remain side didn't understand what the EU does, when they allowed the Leave side to run with the story about red tape, because about 75% of what the EU does is taking 28 different types of red tape, and turn it into one common set of regulations, simplifying everything, and making the single European market possible. Whether it's by eliminating roaming charges for mobile phones, or even making everyone switch to the one type of phone charger. (Hi Apple) The mad thing is that just before Brexit, the European union implemented a common customs policy which radically simplified customs procedures right across the union. From each country having its own system of dealing with goods, which varied widely from Germany, where the procedure would take a day and require four pieces of paperwork to export a container, to Greece, where you needed to pass 11 procedures and it took five weeks. Now it's just one online form, it takes an hour (if you're sending it by road) to a slightly longer timeframe if you're sending it by boat (Ireland, UK, Greece, cyprus and Malta). Even this change could be seen in the 25% rise in traffic using Dover since then.

                                                One major advantage of coming from a smaller country is that you know stuff like your medicines are regulated by the EU, Because the idea that a small country would have its own medicine testing agency is mental. If you live in a big country, you might not think that was impossible. The other thing is that since the general level of knowledge in the UK about Northern Ireland is essentially non-existent, the UK is effectively the only country in the EU without a land border, so there isn't any concept of what leaving the customs union entails, and what a massive pain in the hole that is going to be. So only the UK could imagine it was possible to leave the customs union without it instantly crippling your economy. If you didn't work in Dover port, you probably wouldn't know that 7,000 lorries use the port every day, and the only way this can work is that if you are only doing spot checks for customs. That number has jumped by a quarter in the last two years.

                                                This is the problem that is going to come up wrt to the customs union. It's not going to be the tariff barriers that are going to fuck the UK, it's going to be the failure to comply with regulations, and the nightmare of customs. I can't see a way for the UK govt out of this.

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                                                  I can. Capitulation, whipping most of its MPs behind it and defying Labour to vote it down and bring on No Deal. On what grounds could Labour do that?

                                                  More from Professor Bastani.

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                                                    Airbus making ‘ridiculous empty threats’ and saying they’ll pull out of Bristol and Britain in the event of a ‘no-deal’ Brexit is ‘neither helpful nor credible’.

                                                    That was the stark verdict of the local MP in a statement slamming his constituency’s biggest employer.
                                                    3,700 employees.

                                                    https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/news/b...ly-not-1705711

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