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    Father Stack, the voice of his generation

    Fuck me, what is wrong with these people

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      Corbyn:

      “We need to look very carefully at the terms of any trade relationship, because at the moment we are part of the single market, obviously,” he told the BBC’s The Andrew Marr Show. “That has within it restrictions on state aid and state spending.

      “That has pressures on it, through the European Union, to privatise rail, for example, and other services. I think we have to be quite careful about the powers we need as national governments.”
      We shouldn't be wary of the Single Market/EEA because "privatization". Plenty of much fairer and better countries manage fine.

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        Oh man.

        Daniel Hannan‏Verified account
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        Established businesses are naturally pro-status quo. In our Brexit aims, we need also to think of the businesses that don't yet exist.

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          Will noone think of the business children?

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            Paul Kipper Mason wants Single Market membership and Freedom of Movement "suspended". Labour should "ask for" this, apparently. Like the EU's going to negotiate with the UK Opposition.

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              Dugdale and Khan want a second referendum.

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                Not exactly brexit related, But it's really not going to help

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                  Are Bombardier going to lose?

                  Doesn't exactly suggest to me that the UK out of the Single Market and becoming a power house on the back of state aid is much of a runner.

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                    Well worth following Pete North 303 on Twitter, one of the Liberal Leavers....He is doing one hell of a job in favour of Remain at the moment, not even ardent remainers like Ian Dunt can match him for catastrophism and disdain of the hard brexit loons (he is looking forward to Rees-Mogg being dismembered by angry crowds after Brexit causes the UK to grind down to a complete halt...)

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                      Yeah, I check him out.

                      Isn't he overcooking the freedom that EFTA have a bit?

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                        He is overcooking a lot of things at the moment but he does represent a small strand of opinion within Brexit with a very realistic view of the process and how long it ought to pan out

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                          Yeah, he's worth reading.

                          In the meantime:

                          Kate McCann‏Verified account
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                          Starmer rejects Norway model, says it wouldn't work for us. Calls for Britain to be "brave" on future deal between UK and EU
                          That's the Sir Humphrey use of "brave" there.

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                            The Independent‏Verified account
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                            More than 20 per cent of staff at the Brexit department have left in the last 14 months
                            Must be about as much fun as working for Gove in Education or IDS at Work and Pensions. s

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                              If the Liberal Leave option had been the one on the table, i would be pretty relaxed about Brexit, a country can thrive outside the EU as long as there is a certain level of integration into it (like Switz) but as abundantly exposed, the deluded, mendacious fantasy of splendid isolation pushed by both Labour and Tories is something that runs counter to any kind of logic....

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                                As is not showing their hand/trying to persuade the lumpen masses to come along with Brexit (and it can’t be emphasized enough, 2/3 of Labour voters were Remain. They should have concentrated on getting the Lib Dems etc and non insane Tories to switch in Kipper heavy constituencies in the Midlands and North).

                                There’s one thing not being a hostage to the Tory press by not coming out for Single Market and FoM too soon. But this isn’t all for domestic consumption. There are 27 other countries, and the Commission, watching this and despairing that both big parties are total numpties on Europe. There will be no opportunity for Labour to suddenly see sense on the issue on which all their other policies and hopes hang (will you fuck be able to afford student debt write offs, more social housing, better infrastructure if you are trying to build Social Democracy In One Country. If you are going to hanker back to Atlee remember the NHS was only possible at that time on the back of Empire and massive exploitation. No one is queuing to throw resources at us now, we need the bargaining power of being in a massive bloc to have any hope to afford the sunny uplands of socialism) if they don’t change and soon.

                                If there was an election this year (and why not? The Tories seem to be going nuts) their manifesto would be no Single Market No FoM. That’s terrifying madness and I don’t see the fuckers softening.
                                Last edited by Lang Spoon; 26-09-2017, 19:33.

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                                  Hilarious Boris just contradicted May by insisting on Czech radio that transition doesn't change the cut off date for EU immigration.

                                  How can the EU negotiate with this shower?

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                                    They can't, Tubbs, but that is entirely the point. This shower don't want to negotiate. They want a hard Brexit, no chaser, and certainly no lube.

                                    To echo the OP: we are so fucked.

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                                      I think most of them, even May and Davis, can now see the problems. But Johnson doesn't. I'm not sure if his plan is to be leader or just to fuck off and write his hilarious book.

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                                        They can see them, but they don't care.

                                        Will of the people. Turn us into the septic backwater we've always aspired to be.

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                                          Hilarious Boris just contradicted May by insisting on Czech radio that transition doesn't change the cut off date for EU immigration.
                                          The government won't even confirm what the cutoff date is, for fuck's sake.

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                                            well that escalated quickly.

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                                              Ultimately this will be appealed under Chapter 19 of NAFTA (unless the USA walks away from talks and scuttles the agreement totally.) The Canadian government won't cave on this.

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                                                You'd imagine that places like North Korea and Iran will be less concerned about US sanctions when they realise that the US is even imposing punitive sanctions on Canada.

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                                                  Canada can survive sanctions a bit better than North Korea. And indeed than Northern Ireland.

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                                                    I haven't seen much discussion about whether Bombardier was, in fact, in receipt of illegal state aid, but then I've only read a couple of pieces on it. On the face of it, it's hard to see why its bailout would be OK but not, say, GM's, but then nothing I've read has even sought to explore that question.

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