Bicycles are no use if you are disabled. Neither is a jammers bus. There would need to be some increase in frequency and road segregation to make buses near adequate for Dublin.
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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostI’m done now. Surely Trump has done something awful by this time today.
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That's the rail and motorway networks, obviously. Which looks good until one considers a train journey of 30km can take over an hour (example the next train from Telč to Jihlava takes 1h08 for the 30.7km journey). Epicly slow would be a suitable description. Christ alone knows how much it loses per year...Last edited by Janik; 19-04-2018, 20:40.
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Originally posted by Gerontophile View Post
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There is an argument that Beeching was in essence right, that the rail network now hoaching with passengers is a result of his surgery. Except where lines he recommended close were reprieved they’ve often massively exceeded projected demand. But without Beeching UK would fairly closely resemble the spidery branchy Czech network, and would probably be falling apart if not almost all closed by now.
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Originally posted by Janik View Post
That's the rail and motorway networks, obviously. Which looks good until one considers a train journey of 30km can take over an hour (example the next train from Telč to Jihlava takes 1h08 for the 30.7km journey). Epicly slow would be a suitable description. Christ alone knows how much it loses per year...
Erm, Why is that train journey so slow? Trains were doing over 100 MPH 140 years ago.
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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostThere is an argument that Beeching was in essence right, that the rail network now hoaching with passengers is a result of his surgery. Except where lines he recommended close were reprieved they’ve often massively exceeded projected demand. But without Beeching UK would fairly closely resemble the spidery branchy Czech network, and would probably be falling apart if not almost all closed by now.
For what British politicians were prepared to spend on investment, it was the right sort of approach.
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The major lesson of the Dart and the Luas, is that they really benefit only a relatively small number of people, Admittedly to the tune of a couple of hundred grand on their house price, But still.
The only good bit of the Luas is the green line, and a lot of it is close to the existing Dart. The rest of the Luas is a tram system. Trams are notoriously shit. But city councillors the world over love them because they are way cheaper than metros or rail lines and look shiny and new.
Now they want to build a Metro that will take the ruggers from the south side direct to the airport. Costs billions and doesn't address the connection to the airport from a nationwide point of view. Why isn't the metro extended to an interchange station on the Belfast line? And ff you are coming from Naas or Kildare and want to get to the airport then you will have to take the train to Heuston, change to the Luas red line on-street tram, change to the metro at O'Connell Street. Don't see people doing that.
They should have electrified the commuter lines and joined them up with a tunnel (like the Paris RER, German S-Bahns).
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostTAB, since you are such an accomplished defender of your native rail network, can you afford an explanation for the layout of Limerick Junction?
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Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View PostErm, Why is that train journey so slow? Trains were doing over 100 MPH 140 years ago.
The motivation for posting was to show a situation where a place the size of Sligo having a dedicated line running to it wouldn't be in the least eye-opening. Everywhere of ~20,000 has a station, but the net result is a system that fails to cope for the opposite reasons. Despite the presence of all the lines, town to town transport is generally easier and quicker by bus than train. Losing passengers and their fares to road only further reduces the chances of getting the rail network up to scratch.
* - there are only 4 places with a population >120,000 in Czechia. There is a current proposal to develop a high speed network, which will presumably focus on connecting these cities and joining up with the pan-European network. And all those other lines will become even more decrepit until they shut totally.
Plan for the proposed new high speed routes here:-
Much more sensible and practical. Just need to find the €25-30 billion it will cost to build it all...Last edited by Janik; 19-04-2018, 22:24.
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look man, Copenhagen metropolitan area is a nice neat square 75% the area of Dublin Metropolitan area, and 30% more people live there. The population density is nearly twice that of Dublin, and of course they have an amazing underground system. They're fucking denmark. They're just better at doing things than anyone else. It's their fucking thing apparently.
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostTAB, since you are such an accomplished defender of your native rail network, can you afford an explanation for the layout of Limerick Junction?
It's secondary claim to fame was Tony Ryan, founder of Ryan Air, and rather less successfully GPA, was born in one of the railway cottages. I'm sure that there's a plaque, but I doubt that it points out that his greatest claim to fame was to turn Ireland into the Liberia of Jet Aircraft.
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Well Amsterdam has a similar size to Dublin, they have inefficiently fucked up metro expansion and the like, but they do have a metro network. And Ireland is a rich country. With the will, things could be less fucked. There is no will.
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That's a bit of a nuisance, but it's the sort of thing you can get cross party agreement and draw up a plan that runs past when general elections are going to happen.
Actually, forget that. If any lines are going to close, it'll be impossible to get any kind of agreement. Every party will want to spare where their supporters live.
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Originally posted by Lang Spoon View PostWell Amsterdam has a similar size to Dublin, they have inefficiently fucked up metro expansion and the like, but they do have a metro network. And Ireland is a rich country. With the will, things could be less fucked. There is no will.
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Prague has no metro or rail link to the airport, at least in 2014. Didn’t matter a fuck to me. The three metro lines trams and buses covered most of the city pretty well, including the non touristic parts. But the amount of times I’ve heard Dublin is the only European capital without some kind of airport link... that’s the least of Dublin’s problems.Last edited by Lang Spoon; 19-04-2018, 23:12.
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Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Postit's the sort of thing you can get cross party agreement and draw up a plan that runs past when general elections are going to happen.
The last Chamber of Deputies election produced the following result:-
Macronists (hard to place probably centrists but really just a cult of personality effort before Macron even thought of it) - 78 seats on 29.6%
Establishment right-wing party - 25 / 11.3%
Pirates - 22 / 10.8%
Straight up fascists - 22 / 10.6%
Not even ex-Communists (it's still in the name!) - 15 / 7.8%
Establishment left-wing party - 15 / 7.3%, but despite this terrible result an ex-Prime Minister of theirs (Zeman) was re-elected as President this year. Not that that is any great cause for celebration (pro-Israel, pro-Russia, anti-immigration, climate change denier, etc., etc.)
FUBARed is the phrase, I think.Last edited by Janik; 19-04-2018, 23:16.
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