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    To me it's a bit more reminiscent of Nixon in 68. In that Trump's "White Riot" — as someone termed it — seems to be a similar constituency/demographic to Tricky Dickie's "Silent Majority." Though that victory was more expected and Nixon certainly much less of a loose cannon.

    (It still just blows my mind that Trump voters were 42% female. I just don't get it at all.)

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    What's the over/under on when Trump or somebody in his cabinet uses the N word on the record?

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    Satchmo Distel wrote: You could compare it maybe with Reagan in 1980, in how Reagan was threatening to end the period of peace that adhered under Carter, and escalate nukes to a very dangerous point. As a British exile, it feels like the immediate post-Falklands era, leading to the Miners Strike, the end of the working-class as a political movement that could exercise real power through industrial mobilization.

    Britain 1982-90 also felt like a one-party state, and the idea of such a state being led by Trump is truly terrifying. OTOH the Thatcher regime collapsed in 1990 via its own contradictions (on Europe) and over-reach (poll tax), so that's a happier indicator, albeit one that took a decade to play out, and still ended with more Tory rule (Major) and maybe Tory-lite (Blair).
    Almost...

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    Somehow, this made me actually feel a little better.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/14/president-donald-trump-declinist-american-experiment

    Empires are inherently bad. So if this is the end, that's fine. If the Dark Ages are returning, that's fine too, because, as many of written about, the Dark Ages weren't really so dark.

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    Hot Pepsi wrote:
    Quote Originally Posted by matt j
    A checklist for future reference:
    http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days
    So
    1) Tank the economy by starting trade wars

    16) Nuke Iran.

    I don't know what to do. I wish I was dying of cancer.

    I hope we lose this match to Mexico. I hope we don't qualify. I'm serious. The sight of that fat fuck paling around with Putin at the matches would be too much to bear. Soccer in the US can take the hit now, and Klinsman isn't the answer anyway, so it's ok.
    Actually, Hillary was the "nuke Iran" candidate, not Trump. She's on record saying that the nuclear option against Iran is on the table. Iran is Putin's main client state in the region. Kagan, Kristol and co have already destroyed, stripped and balkanized Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen, Iran is next on their list in their "we came, we saw, he died hahaha" foreign policy.

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    Satchmo Distel wrote: I think he'll massively inflate the economy and leave his successor with a huge deficit, yet the GOP will still pretend to be the party of fiscal responsibility. And the American public, with the attention spans of goldfish, will buy the lies, as they did with Reagan and with Dubya until after the 2004 election.

    The known unknown, so to speak, is the gullibility of the electorate. Given how the voters defied sanity in 2016, there are no ground rules going forward that one can rely on. Trump has destroyed not just norms of behaviour but also of prediction.
    Obama's already done that, doubling the national debt in 8 years, going through several rounds of QEs, and dropping interest rates to zero. You can't inflate the economy more than what has already been done.

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    But you are only considering government debt. A country's total debt position includes both private and public debt. Obama inherited a massive private debt crisis that Bush had let grow unchecked - essentially the largest Ponzi scheme in the history of humanity. If he had done nothing, the world economy would have collapsed. So he transferred some private debt onto public books, to stave off a global economic meltdown.

    Total debt (public+private) in the USA has actually declined since 2008:


    The biggest shortcoming of the western media, in my opinion, is to talk only about government debt. It allows the Republicans to get away with selling themselves as financially prudent, all while they enable banks to build massive Ponzi schemes.

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    linus wrote:
    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Pepsi
    Quote Originally Posted by matt j
    A checklist for future reference:
    http://www.npr.org/2016/11/09/501451368/here-is-what-donald-trump-wants-to-do-in-his-first-100-days
    So
    1) Tank the economy by starting trade wars

    16) Nuke Iran.

    I don't know what to do. I wish I was dying of cancer.

    I hope we lose this match to Mexico. I hope we don't qualify. I'm serious. The sight of that fat fuck paling around with Putin at the matches would be too much to bear. Soccer in the US can take the hit now, and Klinsman isn't the answer anyway, so it's ok.
    Actually, Hillary was the "nuke Iran" candidate, not Trump. She's on record saying that the nuclear option against Iran is on the table. Iran is Putin's main client state in the region. Kagan, Kristol and co have already destroyed, stripped and balkanized Iraq, Libya, Syria and Yemen, Iran is next on their list in their "we came, we saw, he died hahaha" foreign policy.
    Fair enough.

    It just seems much more likely that Trump would actually do something like that because he has so many idiots and Nazis in his cabinet, whereas Hillary's people would be more likely to understand that nuking Iran is would probably be bad for the markets and not good for her brand.

    But I hadn't fully taken into account the Russian angle. Putin is one of history'a great villains, but Hillary would have kept us in league with a lot of other villains too. I guess I'm inclined to pick the devil we know, so to speak.

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    Trump's attempt to intervene in Britain's choice of ambassador to the US is just hilarious:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38060434

    I mean, it's worrying of course, and it's very bad to see anything that pleases Farage, but it's funny to think of all the face-palming that must be going on in diplomatic circles and especially funny to think how irritating it must be for May.

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    Evariste Euler Gauss wrote: Trump's attempt to intervene in Britain's choice of ambassador to the US is just hilarious:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38060434

    I mean, it's worrying of course, and it's very bad to see anything that pleases Farage, but it's funny to think of all the face-palming that must be going on in diplomatic circles and especially funny to think how irritating it must be for May.
    A gift that gives on giving.

    Does it belong here, on WTF, on the Kipper thread?

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-38064664

    Hasn't someone told the pair of them the US already has a British Ambassador?

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    It appears that the real reason that Trump is humouring Farrage, Banks and the lot is that he thinks that they can mobilise public opinion to prevent wind farms from being constructed within sight of his British golf courses.

    What a country.

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    It's just the time-worn Championship Manager/Football Manager tactic of planting a ringer to manage another club, to give yourself an easy win or to sell them your worst players. He's doing to Britain what I did to Tranmere Rovers in 1993/1994.

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    ursus arctos wrote: It appears that the real reason that Trump is humouring Farrage, Banks and the lot is that he thinks that they can mobilise public opinion to prevent wind farms from being constructed within sight of his British golf courses.

    What a country.
    The Westminster Tories hate onshore wind, so unless he's got links courses in mind, he's as safe as houses as it is.

    He's just having a ball with bigot friends, isn't he?

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    There's still a certain dissonance on the left as to whether Trump is a cypher or an evil genius. In some ways it doesn't matter because the result is the same*: either Trump is going to cleverly plunder the planet or his family and advisors are on his behalf, while Sessions et al get the racist police apparatus and green light to global torture that they crave, and the Christian right lets it pass because they imagine a Supreme Court reversing gay marriage and Roe v Wade.

    *see also Reagan, GWB; but Trump is a far more extreme case.

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    Tubbs, all of the course he owns in Britain are links layouts (Turnberry being the most famous).

    Do try to keep up.

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    Isn't it offshore windfarms he opposes, because aren't Turnberry and Aberdeen both links courses?

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    The biggest shortcoming of the western media, in my opinion, is to talk only about government debt. It allows the Republicans to get away with selling themselves as financially prudent, all while they enable banks to build massive Ponzi schemes.
    They should be laughed out of town if government debt is being talked about.

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    There was a great comedy series in the 80s, Hot Metal, about a Murdoch type (played by Robert Hardy) who was petty, spiteful but also malevolent, and Trump has many of the qualities of that character, in that he's unbelievably thin-skinned and will kill somebody's career over a minor argument but he can also set in motion processes that destroy countries and cultures.

    The Trump era is going to be, from one angle, a very dark comedy that will be "a gift that keeps giving", but the comedy will be happening while people are being tortured, deported. bombed and sexually assaulted via processes Trump facilitates.

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    Costello's lines can be adapted for Trump:

    When England was the whore of the world
    Margaret was her madam
    And the future looked as bright and as clear as
    The black tarmacadam
    Well I hope that she sleeps well at night, isn't
    Haunted by every tiny detail
    'Cos when she held that lovely face in her hands
    All she thought of was betrayal

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    ursus arctos wrote: It appears that the real reason that Trump is humouring Farrage, Banks and the lot is that he thinks that they can mobilise public opinion to prevent wind farms from being constructed within sight of his British golf courses.

    What a country.
    I don't think UKIP are in much of a position to influence the Scottish alternative energy policy conversation.

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    Of course not, but it is equally obvious that Trump has no clue how policy decisions are made in the US, let alone the UK

    Meanwhile, Breitbart is mad that he isn't going to lock her up


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    Trump knows exactly how decisions in Scotland are made. He took the First Minister out for dinner to get his Aberdeenshire course built.

    Why would he suddenly think UKIP can stop windfarms in Scotland?

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    Satchmo Distel wrote:

    The Trump era is going to be, from one angle, a very dark comedy that will be "a gift that keeps giving", but the comedy will be happening while people are being tortured, deported. bombed and sexually assaulted via processes Trump facilitates.
    To be fair to Obama, he managed to at least carry out the middle two in that list.

    I loved Hot Metal - much better than the similarly-themed Drop the Dead Donkey - but couldn't find it anywhere on Youtube last time I looked.

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    I have it on DVD but not with me. It is good, great cast.

    Robert Hardy is now 91, Geoffrey Palmer is 89. Even John Gordon Sinclair is 75.

    I made one of those up.

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