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    But it's surely not a case of Ron Hopeful rooting around for something to make Hillary Clinton look less bad? The investigation is now about the rule of law.

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      No one is saying that.

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        Good last paragraph from the Globe and Mail's editorial on this:

        "We hope the darkest speculation about Mr. Trump and Russia proves false, and that he is not acting at the country’s behest because he has somehow been compromised. The Manchurian Candidate theory is far from proven and still seems outlandish in some ways.

        But looked at another way, if the darkest speculation were true, you would expect Mr. Trump to act roughly the way he did in Helsinki."

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          Here are the patriotic Republican Party in Kansas this week. The burning issue is an artwork at a university, which is based on the US flag and they deem it disrespectful.

          https://www.snopes.com/ap/2018/07/14...emoval-museum/

          Kris Kobach, who drives around in a jeep covered in American flag designs, has kept quiet about Trump's performance yesterday.

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            Makes you wonder what has more threat-power in Little Donnie's mind: the pee pee tape, or massive tax evasion/money laundering.

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              I'm quite sure that it is the latter

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                Ha ha ha.

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                Russia meddled in the election and we can’t trust them. BUT can we trust Clapper, Comey, McCabe, and Strzok?

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                  U.S. intelligence agencies have confirmed Russia’s actions, and the evidence is plentiful. Today’s summit in Helsinki was an opportunity to forcefully address this growing threat directly with President Putin. I am dismayed that we did not see that.

                  2:08 pm - 16 Jul 2018
                  "We" really mucked up yesterday, Bob.

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                    The global legitimacy of the USA is being pissed away and the GOP is allowing that to happen so it can maintain a domestic partisan advantage by rigging the Supreme Court. Yesterday was another episode of that farce.

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                      The tax cuts, dismantling of regulation and union busting are more important to those who are paying for this (though Kavanaugh will help with the last two).

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                        So, yesterday was particularly scandalous - as far as I can tell - because Trump said that he trusts Putin's word ahead of trusting his own national security apparatus. Which would be an out there position for a conspiranoid nutter.

                        But for the President of the US, it's outrageous. He basically shouldn't be making any national security decisions if he can't trust the advice he's getting from his own team. He either has to replace the CIA, NSA and the rest, or be making decisions based on stuff he doesn't believe.

                        It's a disastrous position.

                        As for Russia - I know some on the left are using it as an "excuse" for Clinton's campaign, as a way of explaining Trump's win; and some think it's the way to bring down Trump. But it's a fairly big deal on its own. There's a reason that Mueller is investigating outside attempts to subvert US democracy. Sure, Republicans have been subverting US democracy through borderline-legal methods for ages, but that's internal and borderline-legal. Having an external power doing it suggests a different national security threat. Whether you discover Trump was directly involved or just an unwitting beneficiary, it has to be tested properly. And Trump's comments yesterday certainly beg the question of why he trusts Putin ahead of his own appointees at the CIA.

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                          Because the perceived legitimacy of his win is all that exists on his narcissistic radar.

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                            I think that beyond Putin having something on him, trump is deeply ignorant of how things work. To his mind, everything is on par with a real estate deal. He thinks of no consequences for the country or for the world at large. He is incapable of comprehending the complexities of being a head of state. That's why he prefers the autocracy route--not as much thinking involved. And that's why we're fucked.

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                              Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post
                              So, yesterday was particularly scandalous - as far as I can tell - because Trump said that he trusts Putin's word ahead of trusting his own national security apparatus. Which would be an out there position for a conspiranoid nutter.

                              But for the President of the US, it's outrageous. He basically shouldn't be making any national security decisions if he can't trust the advice he's getting from his own team. He either has to replace the CIA, NSA and the rest, or be making decisions based on stuff he doesn't believe.

                              It's a disastrous position.

                              As for Russia - I know some on the left are using it as an "excuse" for Clinton's campaign, as a way of explaining Trump's win; and some think it's the way to bring down Trump. But it's a fairly big deal on its own. There's a reason that Mueller is investigating outside attempts to subvert US democracy. Sure, Republicans have been subverting US democracy through borderline-legal methods for ages, but that's internal and borderline-legal. Having an external power doing it suggests a different national security threat. Whether you discover Trump was directly involved or just an unwitting beneficiary, it has to be tested properly. And Trump's comments yesterday certainly beg the question of why he trusts Putin ahead of his own appointees at the CIA.
                              Exactly. Plus there's the general feeling among Republicans of "meh" to making proper precautions in future elections. And these are the lot that can get a patriotic culture war out of kneeling NFL players and a flag/artwork at the University of Kansas. They need to be properly in the shit for yesterday. I get the feeling they're very nervous, though it may well pass.

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                                Gorgeous George Galloway warns that assassinating or removing Trump could result in civil war. "Be careful what you wish for." As though the two things are the same.

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                                  Well it will be with that arsehole.

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                                    From Buzzfeed.



                                    Farage sounding strangely rational. I wonder if he does "come back" to UKIP he'll find that Gerard Batten's moved it on to full EDL.

                                    Bannon is completely ignoring Farage. It's like Farage is Alan Partridge shouting "Dan!"

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                                      Bannon turns into a bully as soon as a presenter challenges him. His voice is also higher pitched than I had anticipated, sort of Ned Flanders-ish:

                                      https://www.independent.co.uk/news/m...-a8448251.html

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                                        Trump has now said he meant "there's no reason it wouldn't be Russia". The long excursus on the DNC server and Hillary Clinton was because he thought the intelligence agencies were right about Russia. As was the emphasis on Putin denying it.

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                                          Fuck me, he's claiming he didn't understand the furore until he looked at a transcript and saw he'd forgotten a "not". He was given a typed statement to read out, he wasn't even trusted to say this in his own voice.

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                                            https://twitter.com/onlxn/status/1019300220524351488

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                                              That's very good.

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                                                Mueller asks for immunity for the Manafort trial.

                                                https://twitter.com/tom_winter/status/1019296274225553408

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                                                  You might want to rephrase that.

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                                                    Meanwhile in Scotland.

                                                    https://www.scotsman.com/news/politi...isit-1-4770069

                                                    Donald Trump’s Turnberry firm was paid more than £50,000 by his own government to cover the accommodation bill for his weekend stay at his loss-making resort, The Scotsman can reveal. US federal government spending records seen by this newspaper show a series of payments worth a total of £52,477 were made by the State Department to SLC Turnberry Limited, the company behind the South Ayrshire hotel and golf course.

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