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    You obviously haven't committed enough lucrative crimes

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    He's still working on that 'change for a twenty' scam at his local Kwik-E-Mart.

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    Well, here's what he's copping to:
    Prosecutors in the DC case against Manafort filed a Superseding Criminal Information on Friday morning in the Washington D.C. case, charging Manafort with a single count of conspiracy against the United States and a single count of conspiracy to obstruct justice through witness tampering. Those two charges appear to be the basis for a plea agreement.

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    Popehat thoughts here Key post:


    That may be so, but if it is I think they overestimate how much Trump gives a shit about a politically painful narrative.

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    Why's Manafort agreed to it if it's something designed to be hard to pardon?

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    Possibly he's less naive than the prosecutors about Trump's susceptibility to shame.

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    Exactly

    There is no such thing as a "hard to pardon" conviction if the President in question cares nothing about political fallout and the opprobrium of the commentariat.

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    No matter what it is, if Trump loses in 2020, he'll still pardon him on the way out the door. No political risk at that point, and frankly, shame doesn't enter into it. "Conspiracy against the United States" is apparently on the cards, and why would that particularly bother DT?

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    I’m sure that isn’t the deal that Manafort thinks he has. He doesn’t intend to do 2 years inside, even in Allenwood.

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    Hoo boy

    He’s cooperating

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    Stop it. Right now. (to ursus, but you know, to Mr Mueller too.)

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    Oooo... well, now...

    That means Manafort has something to offer.

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    Though perhaps not on 45 himself.

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    Countdown to Trump tweetstorm begins now.

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    Legal experts quickly spun the deal as a win for all the parties involved. Manafort gets a potentially shorter sentence and lessens his legal bills. Trump avoids several weeks of bad headlines ahead of the midterm elections about his corrupt former campaign aide. And Mueller — faced with Trump's constant claims that his probe is a witch hunt — gets to show yet again that his charges are not fabricated and can now divert resources to other elements of his Russia probe. — Politico

    I've trouble seeing how Trump benefits, as claimed in the quote. Surely the speculation surrounding what Manafort might say will just ramp up the negative publicity?

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    One thing that is certainly inside baseball but is nonetheless incredibly impressive to those of us who work in these spheres for a living is how Mueller has been able to keep his entire team from leaking a drop of anything to anyone. Their discipline in that regard is remarkable, especially in the context of how things are usually done in New York and DC.

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    Amor, I would agree that that is clearly Administration-friendly spin, and very weak sauce.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ursus arctos View Post
    Exactly

    There is no such thing as a "hard to pardon" conviction if the President in question cares nothing about political fallout and the opprobrium of the commentariat.
    Republicans more widely ought to care a lot about it though. They're not getting anywhere much hitting Mueller.

    Won't they have enough on Trump to stop him?

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    In 2020?

    He isn't going to be indicted while he is in office, and there is very little appetite for impeachment, let alone conviction.

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    Stop him pardoning Manafort, I mean.

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    You funny . . .

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    They can't "focus his mind" somehow?

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    They can't "focus his mind" somehow
    Do you really need us to answer that?

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    I didn't mean intellectually.

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    They have no sanction to threaten him with.

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