Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

The Refereeing Thread

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

    #26
    The Refereeing Thread

    Defensive minded wrote: This is a situation that is very common: a player is fouled in the penalty area, but has not lost his balance. So to make sure sure the ref sees he's been fouled, he takes a dive. What usually happens is that either a penalty is given or the striker is given the yellow card for play acting.

    Am I wrong in suggesting that both should happen (penalty and yellow card)? And if not, has anyone seen this ever happen?
    I personally have never experienced this scenario. In my mind, it is one or the other. If, as the ref, you have seen the initial contact and first thought is a penalty, then you should make that call and award the penalty, irregardless of what happens next. Trying to play an advantage in the penalty area is always a very dangerous thing. If you are unsure about the initial contact (really, you should be 100% certain before awarding a pen), then see the simulation, you should award a free-kick to the defenders and card the player for being a cheating twat.

    Comment


      #27
      The Refereeing Thread

      The great thing about football is that you experience something new every single game. Sunday, for example, was the first time that I've ever found the packaging for an eight-inch rubber dildo on the pitch before the match.

      Comment


        #28
        The Refereeing Thread

        I fear that I'm going insane. I seem to be the only person in the world agreeing with the refs that the incident described here wasn't a penalty. I'm fully ready for you all to tell me I'm talking tosh.

        Comment


          #29
          The Refereeing Thread

          Actually imp, I don't think you are. I am a 'dyed in the wool' Iron fan, with all the bias that implies, and looking at the highlights you posted the link to, I don't think it was a penalty either (nor the other 'contentious' ones shown as well). The keeper came, stopped, and couldn't really get out of the way, and Hopper nodded the ball left and seemed to run unto the now static keeper. The ref has to be 100% sure and I don't think that given his angle and view, I would be certain either. My dad is a season ticket holder, and texts me from every home game, and even as a ex-ref himself he was slating the officials. Never happy, Scunny fans.

          Still, we are top of the league and all that...

          No games for me this weekend, Hurricane Nicole put paid to the one game and the international schools tournament I was supposed to officiate in. Keep up the good work.

          Comment


            #30
            The Refereeing Thread

            Thanks for the affirmation, Mr. Shorts. If your dad was sat behind the dugouts, just to to the right of the home bench (I was in Row G, seat 66) then maybe he was one of the several fans I heard moaning about the refs and booing them off.

            Comment


              #31
              The Refereeing Thread

              His seat is about 10 rows behind the dugouts, so probably. He is a moaning old git most of the time, even when we are doing well. He does tend to make comment, but I have never actually experienced him booing as such, he is more of a quiet complainer.

              Comment


                #32
                The Refereeing Thread

                Interesting experiment: 11 Freunde staged a 60-minute game between two Oberliga (fifth-tier) teams with no offside. It's recounted in the latest issue (#180), but I've summarized it here

                Comment


                  #33
                  The Refereeing Thread

                  I'm not intimately familiar with the rules, but in a fair world, that certainly shouldn't be a penalty. The keeper establishes position first and then the attacker plows into him. That's like a charge in basketball.

                  And really, the bar should be set very high for penalties that result in a PK.

                  Comment


                    #34
                    The Refereeing Thread

                    imp wrote: Interesting experiment: 11 Freunde staged a 60-minute game between two Oberliga (fifth-tier) teams with no offside. It's recounted in the latest issue (#180), but I've summarized it here
                    I'd like to see that 35-yd offside line tried. If I'm getting this right, it's pretty the same as hockey then.

                    Comment


                      #35
                      The Refereeing Thread

                      Earlier this month I witnessed Salford right-back Stephen O'Halloran, with his team a goal down deep into injury time, run into a block of the stand with no spectators in it to retrieve the ball. He then took the throw-in from Row E. Should this be disallowed? A few of us concluded yes, as you can't see if he has both feet on the ground.

                      Comment


                        #36
                        The Refereeing Thread

                        The Law states that both feet must be on the ground at the point of release, and be on or behind the line, not over it. There is nothing in the Law that dictates how far behind the line the thrower needs to be, so essentially nothing wrong with throwing the ball from the stand, providing the referee and his assistant are happy it was delivered in accordance with the Law. I assume in this case the officials could see his feet.

                        Comment


                          #37
                          The Refereeing Thread

                          Got into a spot of bother last night by raising the whistle to my mouth to blow for a penalty, then changing my mind before I blew. Play to the whistle, lads, not the arm gesture - though I'll try to avoid this in future.

                          Comment


                            #38
                            The Refereeing Thread

                            As you note, it becomes an almost instinctive reaction for refs, especially in situations like this. Putting the whistle to one's mouth is like shaping to receive a pass or getting free of one's defender at an attacking corner. One needs to do it in order to perform the next action most efficiently, but that next action is not always necessary.

                            Comment


                              #39
                              The Refereeing Thread

                              Good thread all, sorry I'm a tad late arriving [after running 50m to 'unload' the opposition's tricky winger].

                              I've just signed up for a cameo-comeback in the league the London NI supporters team play in.

                              My last game involved a team of London German expats (hope they haven't since left the country in disgust). So at least my vocabulary of Teutonic swearwords has improved.

                              Comment


                                #40
                                The Refereeing Thread

                                There's an actual online report of the game (that archive picture of a slightly short and tubby ref is not me, I hasten to add). I read it through racked with nerves, but fortunately it doesn't mention the non-penalty incident, and only invokes my name to say that I blew the final whistle after two minutes of injury time. I've read other reports on that site and the refs get named and shamed, especially in interviews with the coaches. Which seems a bit harsh given that we're pretty much volunteers - for last night's game I got €22 plus travel expenses.

                                Comment


                                  #41
                                  The Refereeing Thread

                                  This weekend - angry Egyptian Geese mimicked by angry coach with Touchline Tourette's.

                                  Comment


                                    #42
                                    The Refereeing Thread

                                    This week - how sarcastic applause really upsets me as a referee. Really.

                                    Comment


                                      #43
                                      The Refereeing Thread

                                      Another grey Sunday on a gravel pitch - Tom Waits, drunk groundsmen, and swearing back at the players.

                                      Comment


                                        #44
                                        The Refereeing Thread

                                        Good to see so much raging debate on here about the Laws of the Game.

                                        The German FA, with IFAB approval, has with immediate effect introduced a fourth substitute for extra time in German Cup games, both men's and women's. It's one of those measure which can only make sense, and makes you wonder why it wasn't allowed sooner, aside from it being too sensible and straightforward for IFAB.

                                        This week, I was mainly fucking freezing.

                                        Comment


                                          #45
                                          The Refereeing Thread

                                          OK then, in the interests of debate, why is it sensible? From a spectating point of view I want to see a match concluded in extra time without going to penalties. It seems that that's more likely to happen if you have tired players on the pitch rather than fresh ones. And couldn't it also be used to have a specialist penalty taker on the bench more often than it is now? Having said that, I'm thinking in terms of the full-time professional game here.

                                          I enjoy the blog, by the way.

                                          Comment


                                            #46
                                            The Refereeing Thread

                                            Why, how dare you disagree...

                                            Yes, I'm thinking in terms of the professional game here too. At my level you can already let any players back on to the field who've been subbed out, though I think it varies from state to state. In Hessen, it's up to about the sixth or seventh tier. Anyway, to counter your argument, how many utterly dull extra times have we seen in recent major international tournaments? They could really do with more fresh legs. I just don't see any reason not to allow the coaches more tactical flexibility if all those players are sitting on the bench anyway. Plus, if all subs have been used and a player gets injured, why should that team be put at a disadvantage, especially if the injury was caused by a dirty opponent.*

                                            Extra-time in the 70s always seemed to be much more exciting and end to end, or is that just treacherous nostalgia? Maybe someone's got the time and energy to do a comparative study. Nowadays teams are much more prepared to bide their time and chance it on the penalties.

                                            *possible alternative law change. If a team has used all subs, and an injured player is forced off due to foul play, then the opponent who committed the foul must leave the field too, even if the foul did not warrant a red card.

                                            Comment


                                              #47
                                              The Refereeing Thread

                                              It's all wrong. (Almost) Only good rule change is backpass rule because it helps tempo - all those water drinking stops, injury (acting) stops etc. - it's all wrong.

                                              Comment


                                                #48
                                                The Refereeing Thread

                                                While on winter break I've been writing to my close mates at Fifa. Come on, how many of you spend your days exchanging chatty emails with David Elleray?

                                                So, Letter to IFAB, Part One - abolish the yellow-red card, instead have teams lose a man for accumulated yellows.

                                                Comment


                                                  #49
                                                  The Refereeing Thread

                                                  That's an intriguing idea that has a lot going for it, though I do wonder if we would end up with the same hesitation at going over the threshold as we now see for second yellows from certain referees.

                                                  Comment


                                                    #50
                                                    The Refereeing Thread

                                                    Hoffenheim coach Julian Nagelsmann has called for a 'green card' - five-minute sit-out for players who get yellow-carded for a tactical foul. Kicker backed him in an editorial today, saying it should be 10 minutes, and apply to all yellows, and uses the same reasoning - the team that's cheated out of a promising attack, say, does not get any advantage out of an opponent being yellow-carded (unless he's already on a yellow, or gets a second one later). Apparently the German FA used this successfully in amateur games between 1978 and 1992, but stopped it on the grounds that punished players' muscles got too cold in winter while they were off, a rationale that Kicker labels "flimsy". It's another idea to throw into the discussion.

                                                    Comment

                                                    Working...
                                                    X