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    Brexit, and Ryanair

    I didn't know whether this fitted in the So How Did You Vote, UKIP, or Ryaniar thread - the genius of Michael O'Leary is that he can fit in all three.

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    That link leads me to the Ryanair thread.

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      Apologies, here it is.

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        Wouter D wrote: That link leads me to the Ryanair thread.
        Which one?

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          Yours.

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            Gangster Octopus wrote: Yours.
            Which one?

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              Just click it and see.

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                Explaining the move, he said through most of January this year the average fare paid by customers on the Stansted route was less than the APD tax of £13.

                “That’s why we can't continue to sustain a route like that, where we are not even covering the local taxes here, never mind making a contribution to Ryanair’s own operating costs,” he said.
                It is quite something when someone can blame the Government for him charging a price so low that he can't cover his costs.

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                  Dublin Airport attracts trade from Northern Ireland not mainly because there's no air passenger duty as in Britain, but because Dublin's international while Aldergrove and Sydenham are sub-regional and City of Derry a glorified flying club.

                  From the two Belfast sites, it's a change at Heathrow, Birmingham or Manchester to go to most major Euopean cities, two changes for most places beyond that.

                  Yet, despite all that, Sydenham and Aldergrove are both profitable and Stormont has just found £7 million to bail out Derry. Down the back of a sofa, as Green hack Steven Agnew quipped

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                    Wouter D wrote: Just click it and see.
                    "That was the joke"

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                      Guy Profumo wrote:
                      Originally posted by Wouter D
                      Just click it and see.
                      "That was the joke"
                      I guess this must be an example of the famous English sense of humor, then.

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                        Pretty much everything he says in the first five or six paragraphs is true, though. The government is full of shit if they think they're going to get some rich trade concessions while closing the borders. The UK will indeed be made an example of as a warning to any other ___exit considerers.

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                          A stopped clock telling the right time twice a day – O'Leary's still a grade A cunt

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                            No doubt. But people still buy what he's selling. See Trump, Donald.

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                              He'll be able to hard ball nicely in his own right. Some tax cuts to "reassure" business?

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                                Wouter D wrote:
                                Originally posted by Guy Profumo
                                Originally posted by Wouter D
                                Just click it and see.
                                "That was the joke"
                                I guess this must be an example of the famous English sense of humor, then.
                                Guy is (I believe) making a joke about the fact that Ryanair have a habit of/reputation for selling you a ticket to, say, Paris, and then flying you to an airfield somewhere in northern France with some sort of vaguely-run, tenuous public transport link into Paris*, so that you never quite know where you'll actually be landing when you travel with them.

                                *Admittedly in this example that's a description of Charles de Gaulle.

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                                  Sam wrote:
                                  Originally posted by Wouter D
                                  Originally posted by Guy Profumo
                                  Originally posted by Wouter D
                                  Just click it and see.
                                  "That was the joke"
                                  I guess this must be an example of the famous English sense of humor, then.
                                  Guy is (I believe) making a joke about the fact that Ryanair have a habit of/reputation for selling you a ticket to, say, Paris, and then flying you to an airfield somewhere in northern France with some sort of vaguely-run, tenuous public transport link into Paris*, so that you never quite know where you'll actually be landing when you travel with them.

                                  *Admittedly in this example that's a description of Charles de Gaulle.
                                  More to do with certain contributors starting brand-new Ryanair threads

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                                    It's better once explained.

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                                      E10 Rifle wrote: A stopped clock telling the right time twice a day – O'Leary's still a grade A cunt
                                      He's a terrible horrible man, even worse in the flesh where there's less wisecracking to go with the aggressive Clarksony bullshit. Definitely the closest I've seen in the flesh to an example of CEO as psychopath (seemed to take a special pleasure in making female mgmt cry every weekly meeting).

                                      Thankfully he's now just a figurehead. After years of tanking profits and failed overtures to EasyJet's CEO, they've just imported her business model wholesale, and they're back rolling in cash by being a wee bit nicer. Hope he's getting a massive ulcer knowing the old treat em like shit routine was thrown out by the board.

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                                        It's proper "Whoever wins, we lose", this.

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                                          E10 Rifle wrote: A stopped clock telling the right time twice a day – O'Leary's still a grade A cunt
                                          I think O'Leary has an interesting personal history regarding the EU. From memory, I think he was against it to begin with as EU competition laws were enforced to stop Ryanair taking over Aer Lingus. Then, after Ireland had voted against an EU treaty, he oddly came out supporting a pro-EU vote as the vote was re-run -- perhaps hoping that the reward might be Ryanair finally getting to take over its Irish competitor. If that was what he hoped, it didn't happen. So who knows what side he is on now.

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                                            It's not really so much a stopped clock being right twice a day though. It's just the way that O'leary talks. O'Leary starts out with an analysis of a situation that seems very plausible, and shrewd, (as in above) and having gained the trust/support of the people he's talking to with his straight talking, he then seamlessly presents what he wants as part of the solution. In this instance and end to airport departure tax.

                                            Even on that he does have a point. These taxes do have a major impact on passenger numbers at the margin, and it does seem as though the amount of money you raise from this tax is smaller than the amount of tax you collect from extra tourists and travellers. Taxes like this are easy to collect, and are great in times of a crisis, but they do have a major economic impact.

                                            There is a real need for a proper global taxation system on airtravel, in order to price out externalities, and to reconcile the cost of a plane journey with the environmental damage caused, but this isn't really it.

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                                              The Awesome Berbaslug!!! wrote: There is a real need for a proper global taxation system on airtravel, in order to price out externalities, and to reconcile the cost of a plane journey with the environmental damage caused, but this isn't really it.
                                              The need, surely, is for proper national taxation (agreed on global lines) for internal 'plane journeys, where land transport is the proper alternative, and the proper funding of those alternatives.

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                                                I'm not so sure why he is against taxation when it subsidised (and probably still does) a hell of a lot of his planes and airport operations.

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                                                  What's an externality?

                                                  I'm guessing most lobbies in Ireland (not just aggressive businessmen like O'Leary) would argue that, as a small island, there's a greater reliance on air traffic than most other places in Europe.

                                                  I like to travel from the English Midlands to Belfast by the 'traditional' route (ie by ship via Liverpool or Stranraer). It's a 12 or 13 hour journey (a little less by car than train). Whereas a puddlejumper from Birmingham Airport is basically a bus in the sky for three quarters of an hour...

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