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    #26
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    the blood on the bed could have leaked out in the minutes following the murder.

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      #27
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      mind you there was a big splash on the lampshade too wasn't there... and the wall. yeah, it didn't make much sense.

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        #28
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        What didn't? It makes sense if he was innocent.

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          #29
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          Yes, clearly. Which is why I kept expecting some alternative scenario from the prosecution that would explain the lack of spatter on Naz while maintaining his guilt.

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            #30
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            as AdeC is saying, it doesn't make much sense that the fact he's not soaked in blood is never brought up by anyone.

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              #31
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              The odd thing is nothing — so far as I can recall — required that she should be stabbed twenty-two times. It could have been only once and served the story just as well.

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                #32
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                Yeah, it's crazy that the wall was so covered in blood (like someone threw a can of paint) and yet he only had blood on his hand from touching her to wake her up and to grab the knife). And the inhaler is on the bed, yet has no blood on it. I would think the cops would investigate, but I also think that this was part of the storyline: easy conviction, busy with other crimes. The DA (or assistant DA) did as Box: what's going to bite me here when they first presented her the case. He said, "nothing." So there is this sense that the case is done and dusted. Move on.

                But I would think more would have been done to figure out what happened given his cleanliness and no blood in the shower (i.e., he didn't shower and split).

                Also, what happened with the blood sample the defense found when their forensic dude walked through the house? Nothing, which was odd.

                Anyway, it was good stuff. I think the lack of investigation was supposed to show a minor-level of corruption that was then exacerbated in the totally corrupt prison system.

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                  #33
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                  The DA (or assistant DA) did as Box: what's going to bite me here when they first presented her the case. He said, "nothing." So there is this sense that the case is done and dusted. Move on.

                  Still doesn't explain why the defence team didn't pick up on the lack of blood though.

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                    #34
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                    Amor de Cosmos wrote: The DA (or assistant DA) did as Box: what's going to bite me here when they first presented her the case. He said, "nothing." So there is this sense that the case is done and dusted. Move on.

                    Still doesn't explain why the defence team didn't pick up on the lack of blood though.
                    That's true. It is amazing to me that things that are mostly obvious for viewers aren't addressed by writers. It's as if the networks don't pay close attention to the details. There is a similar thing record labels. For example, fans are raising a stink because Lou Reed's RCA and Arista albums are about to be reissued. The box set is billed as "all of his work" (or something like that), yet bonus tracks on previous reissues are missing from these reissues. Media companies seems to start a job but can't seem to finish it.

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                      #35
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                      I can sort of understand it. I suspect it's a 'forest' and 'trees' situation. The further into a large project you go, the more it's about details. Everyone is dealing with specifics, no one is looking at the whole. I worked on large corporate publishing projects where this type of mistake happened occasionally — the CEO's name was mispelled, or the head office's phone number was wrong. There comes a point when everyone is looking but not seeing. Ideally you find someone who hasn't been involved to look at it just before you pass the point of no return. But that isn't always possible.

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                        #36
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                        Watched the first episode and whilst I mostly enjoyed it I am slightly worried about yet another show where pretty young women are just there to be a victim.

                        The only other vaguely prominent female character in the first episode was the black cop who, admittedly, was ballsy to the point of being a bit of an asshole.

                        Also, how much of a male fantasy was the whole set up of a man driving around and having a kinky, hedonistic, party girl basically fall on his lap? I've seen porn which was more plausible.

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                          #37
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                          tracteurgarçon wrote: Watched the first episode and whilst I mostly enjoyed it I am slightly worried about yet another show where pretty young women are just there to be a victim.

                          The only other vaguely prominent female character in the first episode was the black cop who, admittedly, was ballsy to the point of being a bit of an asshole.

                          Also, how much of a male fantasy was the whole set up of a man driving around and having a kinky, hedonistic, party girl basically fall on his lap? I've seen porn which was more plausible.
                          The women in this show get less screen time then the men, but I'd say that the characters tend to be equally complicated (other than the women working in the jail). I'd say to keep watching and you will see why the party girl fell into his lap and why he drove her when he was trying not to drive anyone. In the end, this show would not seem to draw the same level of criticism about the use of women that was attached to the first season of True Detective, although I think some of that criticism was unfair. In part that first season was showing how men brutalize women (murder victims, exploited sex workers, snitches, wives, daughters).

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                            #38
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                            Thanks, will give the second episode a go

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                              #39
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                              Caught up with this, really enjoyed the slow pace and cinematography which reminded me of "Hinterland" which in my book is high praise indeed. Some superb acting on display too.

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                                #40
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                                I wondered why James Gandolfini was credited as executive producer for this series. It appears that he was intended for the role played by John Torturro. Would have given a different flavour to the series.

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                                  #41
                                  I'm just catching up with this now. I still don't know how it's going to end. I'm not even sure if he did it or not.

                                  I just learned Glenne Headly died a few months ago. That sucks. I always liked her in these kinds of roles.

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                                    #42
                                    Originally posted by Amor de Cosmos View Post
                                    The odd thing is nothing — so far as I can recall — required that she should be stabbed twenty-two times. It could have been only once and served the story just as well.
                                    I dunno, if I were a hitman trying to kill someone for financial gain, I'd make it look like the work of a Jack the Ripper psychokiller type so they didn't bother to look into who really had a motive. And if you just stab somebody once, they can still probably fight you for a while, maybe even call 911. From the murderers perspective, best to get it over with quickly. And if said murderer is not experienced, the best way to do that is just stab a lot really fast all over the place until the victim stops fighting. I've seen that in movies where a guy gets shivved in prison. And when they murdered Jon Snow.

                                    And if his first blow cut her vocal chords, its easy to see how it could happen while he was downstairs passed out and not know about it, though he was totally out so it may not have mattered.

                                    However...
                                    As you all say, there's no way he could have done all that and not be covered with blood. Not only that, but there's no way he could have done that, then gone down stairs for a nap without tracking blood through the house. As it is, whoever did it - that financial planner guy, probably - would have tracked more blood on the way out, unless he came prepared. I wasn't clear on whether the defense's investigator found more blood or not.

                                    He could have only avoided spreading the blood around if he carefully planned to kill somebody that night and came with a change of clothes, a plastic Patrick Bateman coat and those shoes house-painters wear, and then burned everything he had with blood on it. But when and wear did he burn it given that he was picked up so soon after and so soon after the crime? And a guy who was that prepared to commit a brutal murder wouldn't steal his dad's cab to do it, nor would he take a nap at the scene, nor would he probably suddenly panic, and take the knife with him in his pocket, get pulled over for something dumb, and then try to run from the precinct later. The defense should have pointed that out too. Nothing about his behavior fits with somebody who had done this before or had planned it at all.

                                    Therefore, if he did it, the only possibility would was that he had some kind of psychotic break. In that case, they could have had dueling experts saying whether that could happen on those drugs. Even without the issue of the blood-spatter, there's no way one could say that he did it beyond a reasonable doubt given the other possible suspects had more recent history of violent behavior and/or motive.

                                    Case closed.

                                    But all of that would have made the plot not work as well. There needed to be some ambiguity about whether he did it or not.

                                    Despite that plot hole, it was still really good. Really grim. Every set - the police precincts, the streets, even the courthouse - seemed to be made of old cement and worn iron. I can't imagine a job where i had to work in an environment like that year in and year out, especially at night. I imagine the lack of sunlight would drive one quickly through depression, alcoholism, and straight onto death by 40. The only police stations or court rooms I've been in are just like bland office space with beige carpet, fluorescent lighting in a suspended ceiling, padded-but-not-too-comfortable chairs, recycled air, etc. And most of the ones I've seen on docs about real crime are like that. They're not dark or grim or worn-out like that. Maybe New York is just hard like that.

                                    And having set the bar at Grimmer-than-Grim for everything else, Rikers had to feel like Arkham Asylum, which, as far as I've read, it does in reality. (Though Blackgate is actually the regular prison in Gotham, of course, so that's a better comparison). If nothing else, it was a very believable indictment of the jail system. 85% of people in Rikers haven't been convicted of anything yet and many never will be, but people can spend years in there and never be convicted. No wonder so many people plead. The injustice is so overwhelming I can't get my head around it.

                                    What was that drug he was getting into at the end? He cooked it in a little packet of aluminum foil and then sucked in the smoke with a straw thing. Not sure what that is. I've not done any hard drugs.

                                    And it appears they got Nancy Grace to film snippets just to put on in the background of the show, because she sounds like she's talking about the exact case in the show. But it makes her look bad - presuming the guilt of the first suspect, being obsessed only with cases involving pretty white women, etc. Maybe they got an impersonation of her.


                                    The women in this show get less screen time then the men, but I'd say that the characters tend to be equally complicated (other than the women working in the jail). I'd say to keep watching and you will see why the party girl fell into his lap and why he drove her when he was trying not to drive anyone. In the end, this show would not seem to draw the same level of criticism about the use of women that was attached to the first season of True Detective, although I think some of that criticism was unfair. In part that first season was showing how men brutalize women (murder victims, exploited sex workers, snitches, wives, daughters).
                                    For the story, the murder-victim had to fit a stereotype of a pretty party girl, because part of the story is how the tabloid media and the local racists took a keen interest in the case. The "brown/black guy stalks, rapes, and murders beautiful white flower" is a story those types have been telling and believing for at least a 1,000 years.
                                    Last edited by Hot Pepsi; 18-08-2017, 03:34.

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                                      #43
                                      What was that drug he was getting into at the end? He cooked it in a little packet of aluminum foil and then sucked in the smoke with a straw thing. Not sure what that is. I've not done any hard drugs.

                                      Crack most likely.

                                      I'm hoping they'll do a second season but I don't think it's been confirmed. I thought there'd be a natural lead in from season one, but I don't think Price and Zaillian see it that way.

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                                        #44
                                        If the Detective Box and the DA go after the financial planner guy, Ray Halle, that could be a whole plot. And the fate of Nas, his drug habit and his ties to Freddy Knight and his crew are a plot, but I'm not sure how those two threads can be tied back together.

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                                          #45
                                          Originally posted by Belhaven View Post
                                          I wondered why James Gandolfini was credited as executive producer for this series. It appears that he was intended for the role played by John Torturro. Would have given a different flavour to the series.
                                          Apparently a pilot with Gandolfini was completed but he died before it was released.

                                          If the Detective Box and the DA go after the financial planner guy, Ray Halle, that could be a whole plot. And the fate of Nas, his drug habit and his ties to Freddy Knight and his crew are a plot, but I'm not sure how those two threads can be tied back together.

                                          Yes they're the obvious links to build on, but I suspect their obviousness is precisely why P&Z don't want to go that route. Price is one of my favourite crime/thriller writers. Though his books are few and far between these days, his TV work is generally excellent too — he won a Writers Guild Award for the Season five of The Wire. But he hates repetition, so I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a second season with him involved.
                                          Last edited by Amor de Cosmos; 18-08-2017, 20:40.

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                                            #46
                                            Originally posted by Amor de Cosmos View Post
                                            Apparently a pilot with Gandolfini was completed but he died before it was released.

                                            If the Detective Box and the DA go after the financial planner guy, Ray Halle, that could be a whole plot. And the fate of Nas, his drug habit and his ties to Freddy Knight and his crew are a plot, but I'm not sure how those two threads can be tied back together.

                                            Yes they're the obvious links to build on, but I suspect their obviousness is precisely why P&Z don't want to go that route. Price is one of my favourite crime/thriller writers. Though his books are few and far between these days, his TV work is generally excellent too — he won a Writers Guild Award for the Season five of The Wire. But he hates repetition, so I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see a second season with him involved.
                                            They could also just do a completely different story. Different crime. Different characters - or maybe some of the same characters - but with the same kind of complete coverage.

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                                              #47
                                              They could.

                                              I also wonder if the woeful second season of True Detective hasn't left it's mark on writers and producers. Why rush, if you risk losing the goodwill you've accrued? Neither Price nor Zaillian are rookies. They're both in their 60s with a slew of industry cred. Neither lack for other projects, they'll wait until they've got the right story or let it lie.

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                                                #48
                                                I saw an interview with Riz Ahmed (Nas) 6 or 7 months ago. He said that getting this show made was crazy. I guess a pilot was shot. HBO at on it for awhile. The death occurred. It seemed to be off HBO's radar. Then all of a sudden the pilot was re-shot. Maybe some more episodes. More waiting to see if HBO was going to run it. Then finally it was approved. I'm sure I'm butchering the timeline but basically there was a giant gap between early efforts and what was finally released. I wouldn't be surprised if another series was made, but as AdC notes, I think they've learned from the problems that resulted from pushing through a second season of True Detectives before that one was ready.

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