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    #26
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    While acknowledging it is a surprising move ( and that international management may lack the cachet it once had), how on earth does this entail Martinez having "all but given up on a serious club career"?

    Conte's two years managing Italy didn't seem to harm his career choices, to take just the most recent example.

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      #27
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      I'm with Mon General on this, good luck to Martinez.

      Obviously the Belgians can't be relegated in the way a club would, but there are always the deadmen seeding pots. Their record from 2004-12 wasn't exactly brilliant.

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        #28
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        So he's not "given up on his club career", he's taken a sideways step (I don't see Belgium as a significant step down from a mid-table PL club like Everton apart from salary) with a view to medium-to-long term career progress.

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          #29
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          Ray de Galles wrote: So he's not "given up on his club career", he's taken a sideways step (I don't see Belgium as a significant step down from a mid-table PL club like Everton apart from salary) with a view to medium-to-long term career progress.

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          He isn't Antonio Conte though.

          Conte did a brilliant job with Italy and had previously won a lot of domestic silverware with Juventus. Martinez has just been sacked by a mid-table club after a long string of shit performances.

          He'll do underwhelmingly with Belgium and then he'll probably end up managing somebody like Granada, and that'll be the last we hear of him.

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            #30
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            Or Aberdeen or Hearts (isn't Sra Martinez a Scot?).

            At a slightly less rarified level, Mikey O'Neill's next job is the talk of the town. Realistically, it'll be at a SPL club. He'd have more chance of attracting another mid-to low-level country than anyone in the ECL.

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              #31
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              Borracho wrote:
              Originally posted by Ray de Galles
              So he's not "given up on his club career", he's taken a sideways step (I don't see Belgium as a significant step down from a mid-table PL club like Everton apart from salary) with a view to medium-to-long term career progress.

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              He isn't Antonio Conte though.

              Conte did a brilliant job with Italy and had previously won a lot of domestic silverware with Juventus. Martinez has just been sacked by a mid-table club after a long string of shit performances.

              He'll do underwhelmingly with Belgium and then he'll probably end up managing somebody like Granada, and that'll be the last we hear of him.
              I don't disagree but that is a comment on the merits (or lack of them) of Martinez himself rather than the bizarre claim YUT seemed to be making about the significance of him taking an international job.

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                #32
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                He will be out of sight, out of mind for pretty much the next two years though. Belgium are in with Estonia, Greece, Gibraltar, Cyprus and Bosnia. They will be expected to win at least eight of those games and not lose the others. He'll only come to anyone's notice if he fucks up.

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                  #33
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                  Borracho wrote: He will be out of sight, out of mind for pretty much the next two years though. Belgium are in with Estonia, Greece, Gibraltar, Cyprus and Bosnia. They will be expected to win at least eight of those games and not lose the others. He'll only come to anyone's notice if he fucks up.
                  Or if he gets them to perform at the World Cup.

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                    #34
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                    Your Usual Table wrote:

                    I just think it's a strange stage of his career to opt for international management.
                    As do I, it's just clearly not the permanent retirement from club football you initially stated it was.

                    Miguel Delaney made a similar point on Second Captains recently - at the Euros Conte was the only talented manager who you could say was coming into the prime of his career
                    Coleman, arguably.

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                      #35
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                      Ray de Galles wrote:
                      Originally posted by Borracho
                      He will be out of sight, out of mind for pretty much the next two years though. Belgium are in with Estonia, Greece, Gibraltar, Cyprus and Bosnia. They will be expected to win at least eight of those games and not lose the others. He'll only come to anyone's notice if he fucks up.
                      Or if he gets them to perform at the World Cup.
                      Let's remember that we are talking about a manager who famously cannot organise a defence to save his life. There's a good reason why people are taken aback by this appointment.

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                        #36
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                        Borracho wrote:
                        Originally posted by Ray de Galles
                        Originally posted by Borracho
                        He will be out of sight, out of mind for pretty much the next two years though. Belgium are in with Estonia, Greece, Gibraltar, Cyprus and Bosnia. They will be expected to win at least eight of those games and not lose the others. He'll only come to anyone's notice if he fucks up.
                        Or if he gets them to perform at the World Cup.
                        Let's remember that we are talking about a manager who famously cannot organise a defence to save his life. There's a good reason why people are taken aback by this appointment.
                        You're having a different argument again. I'm making no case for Martinez's qualities - simply that it is possible to advance one's overall managerial career through international football.

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                          #37
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                          So three of the managers that Wales played have gone - two directly after losing to them.

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                            #38
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                            Ray de Galles wrote:
                            Originally posted by Your Usual Table

                            I just think it's a strange stage of his career to opt for international management.
                            As do I, it's just clearly not the permanent retirement from club football you initially stated it was.

                            Miguel Delaney made a similar point on Second Captains recently - at the Euros Conte was the only talented manager who you could say was coming into the prime of his career
                            Coleman, arguably.
                            Not really, Ray. Chris Coleman was available when the Wales job tragically came up because his club management career had stalled, including an abortive attempt to reinvent himself in Spain after John Toshack helped him get a job there.

                            Without the Wales gig nobody would be talking about him as being in the prime of his career. If anything he still fits into the 'novice' category because he is relatively young and yet hasn't really had a big club job and certainly not one he was successful at.

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                              #39
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                              Bordeaux Education wrote: So three of the managers that Wales played have gone - two directly after losing to them.
                              Is this a record? Should this be on the Wales firsts thread?

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                                #40
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                                I don't know.

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                                  #41
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                                  Italy could say the same - Belgium, Spain, Sweden

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                                    #42
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                                    Del Bosque announced beforehand though.

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                                      #43
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                                      Del Bosque announced on June 30, three days after Italy loss.

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                                        #44
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                                        Lopetegui replaces Vicente del Bosque, 65, who announced last year that he would retire after Euro 2016. Del Bosque took charge of the Spain national side in 2008 and guided them to victory at both the 2010 World Cup and the 2012 European Championship.

                                        He offered to resign after Spain's exit at the group stage of the 2014 World Cup, but was convinced to stay.

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                                          #45
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                                          Ray de Galles wrote:
                                          Originally posted by Borracho
                                          Originally posted by Ray de Galles
                                          Originally posted by Borracho
                                          He will be out of sight, out of mind for pretty much the next two years though. Belgium are in with Estonia, Greece, Gibraltar, Cyprus and Bosnia. They will be expected to win at least eight of those games and not lose the others. He'll only come to anyone's notice if he fucks up.
                                          Or if he gets them to perform at the World Cup.
                                          Let's remember that we are talking about a manager who famously cannot organise a defence to save his life. There's a good reason why people are taken aback by this appointment.
                                          You're having a different argument again. I'm making no case for Martinez's qualities - simply that it is possible to advance one's overall managerial career through international football.
                                          You can even fuck up in international football and use it as a stepping stone to managing a biggish club... see Manager Mick.

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                                            #46
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                                            Del Bosque's announcement last year was not absolutely final:

                                            "My retirement is close. If everything goes according to plan it [Euro 2016] will be the end," he said.

                                            "I am a man of the Federation and I have to speak to them before taking a final decision."

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                                              #47
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                                              Yeah, I certainly recall a lot of speculation about his future during the tournament and there decision to leave was presented as being finally made after their elimination.

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                                                #48
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                                                Covered elsewhere, but various retirements...

                                                Bastian Schweinsteiger (Germany)

                                                Petr Cech (Czech Republic)

                                                Robbie Keane and Shay Given (Republic of Ireland)

                                                Keane and Schweinsteiger had final appearances in home friendlies last night.

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