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    #26
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    AE, isn't there a chance that this will become another weapon for the Leave campaign?

    I note, for instance, the Telegraph is running with the allegations, which would have been unusual in pre-Brexit times.

    I also assume that the Barclay Brothers use a different law firm.

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      #27
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      Geoffrey de Ste. Croix wrote: If Iceland has a general election, the result could be interesting:

      It seems they might very soon.

      Are Pirate Parties — at least in PropRep countries — a political flash-in-the pan, or do they have genuine staying power?

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        #28
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        Iceland is an outlier when it comes to their popularity

        The Icelandic Pirate Party was leading the national polls in March 2015, with 23.9%. In the entire history of Iceland as an independent country, this was the first time a political party other than the Independence Party polled as the largest party. The Independence Party polled 23.4%, only 0.5% behind the Pirate Party. According to the poll, the Pirate Party would win 16 seats in the Althing. Rick Falkvinge described the news as "bloody awesome".

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          #29
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          Sure but so was the Green Party once — and for quite a long time.

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            #30
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            How many times is messi going to have to get arrested for tax fraud, before we start to refer to him primarily by his criminal record?

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              #31
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              Man, are you getting slow in your dotage.

              Amor, I see the Pirate's popularity in Iceland as being a reaction to both the crash and the absence of other "alternative" parties. They do much less well in countries where the Greens (or similar alternatives) are relatively strong.

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                #32
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                hey, I was too busy reading about vladimir putin and Frank Flannery.

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                  #33
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                  Perhaps because they are more interesting.

                  All evidence so far is that "MegaStar Enterprises Ltd." (a name only a father could love) is simply one of the vehicles involved in the structure that they have already resolved with the Spanish authorities.

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                    #34
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                    Are they an item now?

                    It's fun seeing the sharpest, most connected people on earth playing the naif when it comes to their personal financial matters. Flannery 'can't explain' where the money came from to buy his house. Oohhh...kay. And Iceland's PM couldn't explain the crazee workings of this money going from here to there and his wife and I dunno and gotta go now. It's all too much for them, it seems.

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                      #35
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                      Frank Flannery was a senior adviser to our glorious leader Enda for ages. he had been one of the young turks of fine gael in the 70s with Bill O'Herlihy. Bill went on to have a thriving public affairs/pr company, aside from being the face of Irish football coverage. Frank went into politics.

                      He's a prick obviously. and a right smug cunt, right up until he got caught rotten being paid far too much money by the Rehab lottery, and not playing ball with an oireachtas committee into said same charity.

                      he came back to appear as an almost disinterested, yet informed party during the last election. Nobody knew if he was speaking for the leadership or what... hopefully this should drive a stake through his heart.

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                        #36
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                        ursus arctos wrote: AE, isn't there a chance that this will become another weapon for the Leave campaign?

                        I note, for instance, the Telegraph is running with the allegations, which would have been unusual in pre-Brexit times.

                        I also assume that the Barclay Brothers use a different law firm.
                        UKIP bankroller Aaron Banks on the list so that's the leave campaign unable to use this as much as they would have hoped.

                        A long list of Tory donors and former MPs just been released.

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                          #37
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                          I see the"Nothing legally wrong" line is being trotted out. Also seen "taxes are a legal matter, not a moral one".

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                            #38
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                            A British banker who spent two decades living in communist North Korea set up a secret offshore finance company allegedly used by the Pyongyang regime to help sell arms and expand its nuclear weapons programme.

                            Nigel Cowie – a fluent Korean and Chinese speaker, who studied at Edinburgh University – was behind a Pyongyang front company, DCB Finance Limited, registered in the British Virgin Islands, papers show.
                            This will take the heat of Dave for a bit.

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                              #39
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                              The Tories have got a bit lucky in no serving MPs being involved. Tony Baldry (stood down in 2015) is.

                              And blast from the past, Sir Edward Du Cann. Notorious for not paying people what he owed them.

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                                #40
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                                I'd be very careful about saying that any given individual "is not involved".

                                The volume of data is almost beyond comprehension, and unless you know for a fact that a given individual's name (and those of close associates) have been searched properly, you simply can't be sure. Even misspellings will have frustrated the initial searches.

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                                  #41
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                                  Slightly at cross-purposes to the main thread topic, but my reaction to that Icelandic opinion poll with the Pirates riding high was "Get with the programme, Grandad!" The Pirates are old news, prospects of being significant electoral players basically been-and-gone, in Germany. I bloody hope so, anyway, they sound like a bunch of kids who haven't grown up yet. [/grumpy old git]

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                                    #42
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                                    It really is isn't it? It's basically as much data as everything on netflix, but in the form of Pdfs.

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                                      #43
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                                      The reporting of this story is going to involve massive conflation of immoral tax avoidance, criminal tax evasion, criminal money laundering and generally just looking dodgy.

                                      And the political impact on individuals may end up being severely reduced by the "they're all at it" dilution factor.

                                      I rather suspect Borracho had it with his comment that if anyone powerful goes down "because of this" it'll really be because they've upset someone more powerful who can conveniently use it against them.

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                                        #44
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                                        Evariste Euler Gauss wrote: The reporting of this story is going to involve massive conflation of immoral tax avoidance, criminal tax evasion, criminal money laundering and generally just looking dodgy.

                                        And the political impact on individuals may end up being severely reduced by the "they're all at it" dilution factor.
                                        Yeah, exactly.

                                        Last time some bollocks about Labour not paying tax on a donation in shares turned up. And something about Ed Miliband's Dad's house.

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                                          #45
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                                          ursus arctos wrote: I'd be very careful about saying that any given individual "is not involved".

                                          The volume of data is almost beyond comprehension, and unless you know for a fact that a given individual's name (and those of close associates) have been searched properly, you simply can't be sure. Even misspellings will have frustrated the initial searches.
                                          Good point. Here's hoping...

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                                            #46
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                                            Crikey. Sir Edward Du Cann is still alive, and aged 91.

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                                              #47
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                                              It's gotten Reykjavik out into the street again



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                                                #48
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                                                that's a very substantial proportion of the icelandic population isn't it?

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                                                  #49
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                                                  Precisely.

                                                  They do seem to have a fundamentally different attitude towards financial shenanigans than the people of London, Dublin or New York.

                                                  They are chucking eggs at the Parliament now

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                                                    #50
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                                                    well it's basically like the Cork metropolitan area was its own country. Everyone would know everyone, and this sort of thing would be happening all the time.

                                                    I do like the idea of a similar proportion of the US population turning up for some similar protest.

                                                    "President trump, there are 60 million hispanics in the rose garden, and they want to have a word"

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