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    #26
    Issue 1 of If I Hadn't Seen Such Riches, the Walthamstow FC fanzine is on sale now. Available from our website: https://www.ifihadntseen.com/

    I'm quite happy with it is a debut issue. I had a couple more articles almost ready, but we're playing Clapton CFC tomorrow evening in a friendly, so the lure of selling a few more than usual was a bit too much.

    In issue 1:
    • The Walthamstow diary for the last couple of months
    • Wadham Lodge, 23 years ago
    • Full Time and the Whole Game System
    • Kick, bollock and bite – Fanzines of the club’s past
    • Victor Gladwish
    • Beer Hunting in the Essex Senior League
    • Favourite Games: Coalville Town v Market Harborough, January 2009
    • Charlie Chan’s
    • Red Star Paris
    • Saaremaa, Estonia
    • Playing away


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      #27
      Barnsley had a good one called South Riding in the early 90s.

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        #28
        Question for you Forest Gump, what actually is the status of the Walthamstow club? Is it a new one, one that has been local parks footy before progressing or do you see yourself as a successor club to Walthamstow Avenue?

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          #29
          It’s a name change from Waltham Forest FC, which traces its roots back to the Pennant club rather than Avenue (which got submerged in Redbridge Forest, who then effectively took over Dagenham and its ground to form Dagenham & Redbridge).

          Seeing some of the topics covered, I’d like to get a hold of a copy of this fanzine.

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            #30
            Originally posted by Paul S View Post
            Question for you Forest Gump, what actually is the status of the Walthamstow club? Is it a new one, one that has been local parks footy before progressing or do you see yourself as a successor club to Walthamstow Avenue?
            Until last season we were Waltham Forest. We're part of the Leyton/Leyton Pennant/Waltham Forest lineage, rather than Walthamstow Avenue.

            We claim a history going back to 1868, though that involves about 4 clubs folding/restarting, a couple of mergers, one de-merger and a new 'Leyton FC' formed in 1995 stealing our history. It's a bit of a stretch claiming we were founded in 1868, admittedly, but we're going to roll with it.

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              #31
              Owing to Rovers' heavy defeat against Fleetwood Town last Saturday (folk leaving early meaning less post-match sales) we've a fair few copies of issue 96 of popular STAND fanzine left if anyone would like one. We're happy to post them out anywhere in the world.

              You can order them via the form on the fanzine's back issues page, where you'll also find an up to date list of all our other available back issues.

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                #32
                Originally posted by Forest Gump View Post
                Until last season we were Waltham Forest. We're part of the Leyton/Leyton Pennant/Waltham Forest lineage, rather than Walthamstow Avenue.

                We claim a history going back to 1868, though that involves about 4 clubs folding/restarting, a couple of mergers, one de-merger and a new 'Leyton FC' formed in 1995 stealing our history. It's a bit of a stretch claiming we were founded in 1868, admittedly, but we're going to roll with it.
                Thanks, I had wondered. I can't keep track of all the name changes and mergers in east London football, especially the Essex senior league ones.

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                  #33
                  Originally posted by Paul S View Post
                  Thanks, I had wondered. I can't keep track of all the name changes and mergers in east London football, especially the Essex senior league ones.
                  Someone must have realised that the most base level of Essex dwellers would be pondering this so produced a rather simple diagram that even they should understand.

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                    #34
                    Is that supposed to be Crossrail or Thameslink?

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                      #35
                      It’s the original plans for the Epping-Ongar line when it was bought from LuL, and the false schemes put in for the planning permission given for the complete redevelopment of the site of the latter to fund it.

                      Who’d have expected to be the outcome to be that all the money went into the developers pocket, who was then found to be the brother in law of the Tory councillor who was in charge of the planning committee who passed the very contentious planning commission.

                      Never mind, at least it keeps true to the rule that all Essex tories are odious cunts.

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                        #36
                        The presence of Mauritius on any such graphic is prima facie evidence of shady dealings.

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                          #37
                          As I’m on a role, Woodford Towns ground is one of the few I have scratched, both for football, and for unlicensed bare knuckle boxing.

                          My lodger in the late 90s worked on building sites in Docklands and we went up there one weekend as one of the blokes he worked with was fighting another flabby bloke.

                          I can’t remember the outcome but Sport was not the winner.

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                            #38
                            Just remembered it was called Snakes Lane.

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                              #39
                              This should be on Netflix

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                                #40
                                Originally posted by Big Boobs and FIRE! View Post
                                Just remembered it was called Snakes Lane.
                                I bought a Ford Escort van there in the early 90s. Almost bought a house there in the late 90s.

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                                  #41
                                  I've updated the diagram for this season, now that: Waltham Forest changed their name to Walthamstow, and I found out about a previously unrecorded merger between Mauritius Sports and CMB Metal Box (who themselves may have been a merger, but I can't find concrete info on that yet). Think we're up to:

                                  14 clubs being formed
                                  11 name changes
                                  6 clubs merging
                                  5 clubs folding
                                  1 de-merger

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                                    #42
                                    Brilliant graphic FG, thanks. I had assumed this was the Byzantine history of Walthamstow Avenue / Leytonstone / Iflord / Dagenham / Redbridge but delighted to see on closer inspection that it's an entirely different Byzantine history of a Walthamstow club

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                                      #43
                                      That's a fantastic graphic/idea and one I fully intend on ripping off at some point.

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                                        #44
                                        Finchley have been boringly stable, with just one merger name change to Wingate & Finchley in over 100 years. What are they playing at?

                                        The club names Leyton FC and Woodford Town seem cursed. Why do clubs keep on adopting them?

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                                          #45
                                          Originally posted by Forest Gump View Post
                                          CMB Metal Box
                                          surely the only football club in the world named after a PiL album

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                                            #46
                                            Finchley have been boringly stable, with just one merger name change to Wingate & Finchley in over 100 years. What are they playing at?
                                            Finchley did stop playing during the First World War, but As it was by and large the same club who restarted, I treated them as the same. Walthamstow claim that we go back to 1868, and it's pretty far-fetched, considering almost every incarnation of Leyton until WW1 was completely different.

                                            I had assumed this was the Byzantine history of Walthamstow Avenue / Leytonstone / Iflord / Dagenham / Redbridge
                                            I did consider including this whole quagmire, but given the Walthamstow Avenue formed in 2000 had nothing to do with the original Walthamstow Avenue, I didn't bother. Oh, and there's a new Walthamstow Avenue playing in the Sunday Essex Corinthian League Division 2 using the original club's colours and a reversed version of the badge.

                                            The club names Leyton FC and Woodford Town seem cursed. Why do clubs keep on adopting them?
                                            There was also a Leyton FC who played from 1996 to 2013 which I haven't included. They were formed as Leyton Sports, stole Leyton Pennant (now Walthamstow's) history and even broke into the clubhouse to steal an honours board. Their Chairman was put in prison for defrauding the government to the tune of £6m by submitting fake invoices for building nursing homes which never existed.
                                            Last edited by Forest Gump; 16-11-2018, 13:47.

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                                              #47
                                              Originally posted by dogbeak View Post
                                              surely the only football club in the world named after a PiL album
                                              Metal Box Sports spent a couple of seasons in the West Midlands League in the mid 80s

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                                                #48
                                                Originally posted by Tony C View Post
                                                Getting all nostalgic over WSC's 30th birthday, I decided to have a cursory Google to find any remnants of the fanzine I had been involved in - Manchester City's 'A Million Miles Away'.

                                                To my surprise I not only found some old copies floating around on eBay, but also a short interview with the then editor (not me) from another site in which he concisely explained the fanzine's ethos.

                                                How I miss those days of standing in the pissing rain being completely ignored by the majority of fans who headed straight for the "King of the Kippax" seller. Oh, how we laughed when Sportspages went under and took hundreds of our back issues with them.

                                                Anyway, I'm sure plenty of you have got your own tale to tell.

                                                http://bitterandblue.sbnation.com/20...iles-away.html

                                                http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nov-2004-Man...item56814bb5c5
                                                Jesus, some of this interview was a real time capsule. "Seriously though I think we need a creative midfielder, and I’d love Malbranque in the team. It’s funny that he pulls up with a mystery injury just before the window opened isn’t it? Papa Bouba Diop as well. Danny Murphy has been mentioned and I think he would be a good signing as well".

                                                "A Uefa cup place would be nice. I would really love to win the FA Cup. That would be great."

                                                Sigh.

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                                                  #49
                                                  I've updated the back issue list of popular STAND fanzine, and could do with offloading some ahead of an impending house move.

                                                  Back issue list and order form here if anyone is interested.

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                                                    #50
                                                    After a year's hiatus, popular STAND fanzine is returning for 2020/21 season, but given the uncertainties around ground attendance both now, and for the rest of the season, it will (for now) be subscription only.

                                                    Details of how to subscribe here if anyone is interested

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