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& kick a cripple for me too, Mr Wetherspoon!
If you'd told me about this the day before it happened I could have had a pre-emptive word in the shell-like of Tim Martin seeing as he was in the Thomas Sheraton in Stockton as I was starting my Black Friday revelling. But you never.
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WOM wrote: What a tempest in a pint glass. Imagine a trained bartender erring on the side of caution instead of accepting the world's most unofficial looking laminated card (complete with poor punctuation).
That probably extended to producing the card.
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My point is that an official looking card produced by, say, the British Brain Injury Association or some such might have cut more ice than something somebody made in their bedroom. I can't really fault the bartender for not taking it as 'official'.
My "I'm part of an experiment and I'm allowed to drive drunk." doesn't work with the police here, either.
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I think that the initial error can be excused, but to boot her out following her having shown a card - which might be poorly-punctuated but is nonetheless easy to understand - is rather poor.
But then again, this was a Wetherspoon pub - which, in my (third-person) experience, is not a chain normally noted for its refusal to serve drunks.
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Well, it says she has temper issues and swore at management after the initial rebuff. I can tell you from experience on the other side of the bar, you get walked out as soon as that happens.
All that aside, what the fuck is a woman with a brain injury doing trying to drink alcohol? In the list of things she should avoid for life, alcohol is up around #1 or 2.
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Once you've refused service to someone, you can't really go back on that, laminated card or otherwise. It's a bit of a shame it happened, and this sort of thing has nearly happened to me in the past, but I'm 100% behind the bar staff here.
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WOM wrote: Well, it says she has temper issues and swore at management after the initial rebuff. I can tell you from experience on the other side of the bar, you get walked out as soon as that happens.
All that aside, what the fuck is a woman with a brain injury doing trying to drink alcohol? In the list of things she should avoid for life, alcohol is up around #1 or 2.
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Regardless of the vagaries of all that, where does it state that she was buying (or indeed intending to drink) alcohol?
Despite my earlier comment, it seems to me that this has been dealt with as best as possible: I have a small amount of sympathy for the chain, who can't really be expected to know how to deal with something like this. Anyway, that's enough back-pedalling from me.
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Might have helped had the card been professionally produced, instead of something made at home.
In other stories, the mum claims it's from Headway (the brain injury charity), which I don't believe. It's got no professional design at all, along with several grammatical errors.
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george clarts wrote:Originally posted by WOMAll that aside, what the fuck is a woman with a brain injury doing trying to drink alcohol? In the list of things she should avoid for life, alcohol is up around #1 or 2.
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Guy Potger wrote: I'm also guessing (and I stress this is a guess) as this was her "first time back in a pub" since the accident, she wasn't entirely alone at this point, and that the people with her would point this out to the staff
Then, if the customer had started yelling or swearing at me, as the manager, I would not have changed the bartender's decision. (Not that I likely would have anyway, because that's something you just don't do in the booze business.) But yeah, I'd have removed her from the premises.
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Flynnie wrote: Might have helped had the card been professionally produced, instead of something made at home.
In other stories, the mum claims it's from Headway (the brain injury charity), which I don't believe. It's got no professional design at all, along with several grammatical errors.
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They're entirely different things.
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WOM wrote:Originally posted by george clartsOriginally posted by WOMAll that aside, what the fuck is a woman with a brain injury doing trying to drink alcohol? In the list of things she should avoid for life, alcohol is up around #1 or 2.
The brain has many parts and components, you can be affected in one part and not another, as I understand it, just from reading a bit of Oliver Sachs and reading up on epilepsy and drug abuse.
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Indeed. Which is not the same as saying "alcohol effects one part of the brain and not others". If you want me to provide an entire link farm on alcohol's effects on the brain, I can. But I wouldn't have thought it was a point of contention that alcohol does, indeed, by its very nature, effect the brain. And for a person with a brain injury - and who reportedly presents with those injury symptoms, including, but not limited to, motor skill impairment, speech impairment and anger management - consumption of alcohol might not be the best idea.
Which, as I stated originally, was an aside, and nothing to do with her right to be served.
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Quite. But as I suggested earlier, there's nothing in that piece to state that she intended to buy booze. She might've wanted a Coke.
Guy Potger wrote:Originally posted by FlynnieMight have helped had the card been professionally produced, instead of something made at home.
In other stories, the mum claims it's from Headway (the brain injury charity), which I don't believe. It's got no professional design at all, along with several grammatical errors.
compare:
They're entirely different things.
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