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    Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post

    But he could also help himself by doing detail far more than he does. Someone like McIerney (and I agree that article isn't very good) would be delighted to be getting into her teeth into that. Someone I know on another board, who was a senior education professional, said Labour in opposition now are way behind where they were in the mid 90s in terms of detailed work, thinking of trade offs etc.
    You're on another board as well!?! How do you get the fucking time??

    Corbyn's never done much detail on anything, which perversely is why I think that he's probably better in the leader role rather than with a brief. I'm not sure he - nor any leader, even the PM - should be doing the detail anyway on stuff like this, the relevant Shadow should be doing it.

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      Tubbs is a professional poster. We're all just amateurs in comparison...

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        I have a lot of time on my hands. Professional is about right.

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          Originally posted by johnr View Post
          You're on another board as well!?! How do you get the fucking time??

          Corbyn's never done much detail on anything, which perversely is why I think that he's probably better in the leader role rather than with a brief. I'm not sure he - nor any leader, even the PM - should be doing the detail anyway on stuff like this, the relevant Shadow should be doing it.
          I'm not really saying that, I'm saying more that he could be better at himself giving a sense of detail. Obviously, he'll never please Phillip Collins but some of the media "centrist party" stuff is I think driven by people wanting more of a sort of "wonk" vibe. My suspicion is that this probably does him no favours in specialist press- which is where McIerney is coming from. I've seen it in rail media too.

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            Originally posted by Flynnie View Post
            No, he's not really that kind of guy. Runs a tight ship but isn't a "bring back caning" type.

            I basically think he was born Tory in a Tory part of the UK to two Tory-voting parents (IIRC he was born in Germany because dad was in the Forces), and although he doesn't really like the Tories, he doesn't trust Labour to be competent.

            I feel like there's more teachers like this than people let on, and that while the lefty hippyish teacher stereotype has some truth in it, a lot of them are just working stiffs at the end of the day like everyone else.
            Yeah, I think that's true about the sort of people who become teachers, and probably has been for a while.

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              Chukka has been doing his thing again.

              https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-a8585011.html

              "For ours is a politics that promotes individual freedom but understands it relies on strong collective provision and an active state to be realised.

              We believe in reciprocity, which requires an inclusive economy that rewards those who work hard and play by the rules, while caring for those who can’t support themselves. We are advocates of a rebalancing of power between capital, labour and the consumer, and rigorous competition to keep the balance of power in check.

              At the core of our beliefs is the value of work – yet we acknowledge there is more to life than work. Family life, in all its forms, and the importance of the place where people live are the building blocks of the communitarian ideals to which progressives subscribe."
              The light switch is on but it is off. It is hot, but we acknowledge the cold. So. Fucking. Wimpy.

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                "It doesn't matter what the two things are. We want to be halfway between them!"

                Can I also say Fuck Off! in no uncertain terms to this: "At the core of our beliefs is the value of work". At the core of my beliefs might be fairness and justice. I couldn't give a fuck about work, except mostly as a means to an end. If I was never obliged to work another day in my life, I'd be ecstatic.

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                  There might be a dignity in manual Labour if you weren’t forced to do it. Craftsmanship type stuff anyways. There is no dignity at all in the shite most of us have to do to get paid these days. Digital transformation my arse.

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                    Bastani seems an arse but I’d love some fully automated leisure communism.

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                      Umunna's launching a think tank there, isn't he?

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                        Think tanks bring tax breaks? Chris fuckin Deerin has one as well. “Reform Scotland”. Except, god forbid, by breaking with the Union.

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                          About that Guardian article

                          https://twitter.com/hazmatt72/status/1052146068341821440?s=21

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                            Originally posted by Tubby Isaacs View Post
                            Umunna's launching a think tank there, isn't he?
                            "Think" seems to be pretty generous, on my reading of that article.

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                              Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                              The next tweet is a hoot.

                              https://twitter.com/hazmatt72/status/1052146646388264961

                              A bloke who tweets out to those liars is having a pop at a proper journalist. Somebody who doesn't know what he's talking about (local authorities don't "control schools", for very good reasons) making a couple of unimportant points into a sinister plot against Corbyn. Anyway, she's boosting Rayner- who's a Corbyn ally. It's not like she's boosting Chris Leslie.

                              Sure, it's a crap article and maybe she could have mentioned she was involved with the app. She works for an academy- hold the front page. Over half of secondary schools are academies.

                              But it's not exactly academy propaganda, is it? She said Labour needed to be better at answering the Tory criticism of LAs (criticism which she says is wrong) and makes a judgement that lots of teachers are not particularly excited by structural change. They'd certainly not be excited by his idea of change- LAs "controlling schools".
                              Last edited by Tubby Isaacs; 16-10-2018, 21:34.

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                                Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View Post
                                "Think" seems to be pretty generous, on my reading of that article.
                                Quite likely.

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                                  McIerney says she's a governor, not a "director" anyway. It's the school where she taught for 6 years before becoming a journalist. So he doesn't know the difference between a governor and a director, that's not great.

                                  She was appointed in March 2018. Converted to academy in 2011, when Gove offered money to convert.
                                  Last edited by Tubby Isaacs; 16-10-2018, 21:33.

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                                    Sorry about that rant.

                                    In other news, Labour sounds hopeful it can force the release of Universal Credit impact assessment.

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...mpact-analysis

                                    What a farce that it's not available anyway.

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                                      If She’s “a proper journalist”-she should declare an interest in the company that does the research and her position with an academy. The fact that There are so many Academies Makes it more important that journalists declare their relationship not less.

                                      I don’t think all the tweeters the guy links too are liars. Some are better than others. If any of them were found to have done what the Guardian journalist did the “mainstream press” would never have let them hear the last of it.

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                                        One of those wrote about a "D Notice" for Grenfell.

                                        The piece isn't really about academies. It's in support of a politician who's not keen on academies (Rayner). It says a Tory politician who criticizes LAs is talking rubbish (Damian Hinds). McIerney is a governor of an academy. Every school has governors. There's nothing sinister about it. If the school returned to the LA, it would still need governors, and I've no reason to think she wouldn't be kept on. She wasn't a governor when it converted. And it's unlikely she's paid for her efforts.

                                        Making that sound like a conflict of interest is, well, conspiratorial.

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                                          https://twitter.com/TorstenBell/status/1057174340511371265

                                          Indeed.

                                          Sure, it's a dilemma when the Tories do something opportunistic and shit that might appeal to swing voters. On the other hand, welcome to test match cricket.

                                          When I was complaining about abolishing fees and not spending more on benefits, the point was made that I was objecting to good policies and should be objecting to bad ones. Well, still no commitment to ending the benefit freeze or restoring Osborne's (way worse than Coalition ones) 2015 benefit cuts. And now Labour are forgoing a further big chunk of progressively raised tax to sort it. Are these bad policies being fixed? And this is without taking Brexit into account.

                                          Sturgeon will be allowing herself a laugh, having made fairly modest use of her income tax powers and got it in the neck from the left. She not only has to worry about being elected, she has to worry about people moving a few miles down the road if they don't like her tax policy.

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                                            Yeah, but people really don't do that moving thing anything like the myth would have policymakers believe.

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                                              I didn't know Florida had no income tax. Thanks NHH

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                                                I think moving big distances to other US states probably is a myth, especially if (like Kansas) they don't have all that much else to recommend them. In Scotland's case, I was thinking more of people who could move into England and carry on with their working lives as before, just pay less income tax because they live in England. I don't know how many people there might be like that.

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                                                  I suspect too there's some sort of "gravity" effect at work. California is huge, so it can have a top rate of state income tax of 13p. But could a smaller state next door do that, if California was cutting taxes?

                                                  In the Indyref, the Yes side were promising lower corporation taxes. I was very scathing at the time, but maybe this is what you need to do as a minimum with a bigger neighbour next door, with a chancellor who'd not just try and attract business away but paint "Lower taxes, this way!" on every road in Scotland.

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                                                    Lower Corp tax (and facilitating companies in paying even less than the headline rate) was certainly a big part in Ireland attracting FDI back in the day. Doubt it’s that important now, and in some ways the distorting effect on GDP has probably been harmful.

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