For once (and it is truly rare) I am with Boris Johnson and against the Labour Party. Why on earth are Labour backing this scheme? Is it pure politicking, trying to inflict a commons defeat on Cameron? Or do they actually believe we need to increase the level of air traffic in the world?
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Hammondworth: pop. 1,480.
Heathrow Int'l Airport annual passenger traffic: 16,364,246.
I really don't get the nimbyism, I guess it's a cultural divide I haven't been able to breech. You look at real estate prices in places like London or San Francisco, you see places that are completely distorted and socially dislocated by an artificial lack of housing due to low densities imposed by cultural barriers.
Furthermore, you can't criticize the expansion at Heathrow on one hand and fly to Prague, NYC or Hanoi on the other.
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It's bemusing to think that an outfit called the Airports Commission couldn't really propose not to have another runway at any specific locale. It's like having the headline '100 More Adult Book Shops Approved By The Hard-On Committee.'
Answer's in the title, really.
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Jimski wrote: Why on earth are Labour backing this scheme? Is it pure politicking, trying to inflict a commons defeat on Cameron?
Of the mayoral candidates, David Lammy (Tottenham, NE London) has said that he is all in favour, Sadiq Khan (Tooting, SW) that he will do all he can to stop it. The former is considerably thicker than the latter, so there may be something in those positions beyond simple proximity to the airport.
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linus wrote:
Furthermore, you can't criticize the expansion at Heathrow on one hand and fly to Prague, NYC or Hanoi on the other.
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TonTon wrote:Originally posted by rick derrisIs Johnson against the third run way at heathrow? that would surprise me as he is now MP for Uxbridge which relies heavily on Heathrow for employment
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Boris's argument does seem to include a certain element of "South West London already suffers enough from Heathrow, let's move the problem to Essex where no-one [strike] votes Tory[/strike]matters". He's not arguing that London doesn't need another international terminal, he just doesn't want it at Heathrow.
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Jimski wrote: For once (and it is truly rare) I am with Boris Johnson and against the Labour Party. Why on earth are Labour backing this scheme? Is it pure politicking, trying to inflict a commons defeat on Cameron? Or do they actually believe we need to increase the level of air traffic in the world?
http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/recommended-heathrow-expansion-would-benefit-9561481
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Jowell is worse than Lammy.
All this debate proves is that all these protestations that political leaders and "opinion-formers" that they give the remotest shit about probably the most important global issue there is, are lies
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rmlinus wrote: Hammondworth: pop. 1,480.
Heathrow Int'l Airport annual passenger traffic: 16,364,246.
I really don't get the nimbyism, I guess it's a cultural divide I haven't been able to breech. You look at real estate prices in places like London or San Francisco, you see places that are completely distorted and socially dislocated by an artificial lack of housing due to low densities imposed by cultural barriers.
Furthermore, you can't criticize the expansion at Heathrow on one hand and fly to Prague, NYC or Hanoi on the other.
In any case, as has been noted, there's capacity and the opportunity to expand at other (regional) airports and start diverting some of the cash that London keeps amassing for itself to the rest of the country.
PS. Is Sipson scheduled for demolition under this barmpot plan too?
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E10 Rifle wrote: Jowell is worse than Lammy.
All this debate proves is that all these protestations that political leaders and "opinion-formers" that they give the remotest shit about probably the most important global issue there is, are lies
I've RSVPed for the Labour mayoral hustings in Southall, which could get interesting on the airport issue.
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It's bemusing to think that an outfit called the Airports Commission couldn't really propose not to have another runway at any specific locale. It's like having the headline '100 More Adult Book Shops Approved By The Hard-On Committee.'
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Being residents of leafy Teddington, we've been keeping an eye on the developments and are now finding ourselves in an odd position of relying on Conservative politicians to do the right for the people.
What's been really striking about the pro-Heathrow campaign is how dirty and full of shit it's been - from the pro-Heathrow "grassroots" campaign funded by Heathrow to those totally WTF posters claiming that local residents were all for it.
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Jimski wrote: For once (and it is truly rare) I am with Boris Johnson and against the Labour Party. Why on earth are Labour backing this scheme? Is it pure politicking, trying to inflict a commons defeat on Cameron? Or do they actually believe we need to increase the level of air traffic in the world?
They might or might not be right, but their position has been much more genuine than the Conservatives. It was green branding and worry about seats under the flight path.
Literally everyone agreed that the Davies Commission with the terms set for it would recommend Heathrow expansion and it has done, after costing £20m.
Perhaps, channeling Jeremy Hunt an the , Cameron and McGloughlin can walk around with a sign on them saying "£20m paid for by the British taxpayer to keep an awkward issue out of the way till after the election".
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Philip Stevens in the FT
Britain’s Airports Commission has done what was expected of it. It has called for a third runway at Heathrow. You do not have to be a cynic to suspect policy-based evidence-making. Unkind souls might call the report an establishment stitch-up. Never mind. Its conclusions are destined for the long grass. The pity is that money, time and energy will be wasted on a debate that can have only one outcome. Forget the commission’s expensively deceptive cost-benefit analyses. The runway will never be built.
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I don't agree with that.
The report could have been set up so that it was much harder to recommend Heathrow. The most obvious weakness to me of the proposals are the conditions round Heathrow. Set a reasonably high bar for these and Heathrow is ruled out.
Howard Davies is pretty much as "heavyweight" as you can get for people who write reports for governments (ex CBI chief, Deputy Governor of the Bank, and Chairman of the FSA). Would he have wasted his time if it weren't serious?
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