Uber something less than Alles

[ursus arctos]

Quite interesting.

I have no idea what standard of administrative deference is operable here, but it certainly isn't good for them (either in London or elsewhere)

[Ginger Yellow]

If it weren't for the Greyball thing, I'd cynically say reasonably high. But a system deliberately designed to trick regulators is not exactly going to look good in a fit and proper person test.

[Flynnie]

The Millennials are freaking out, as if nobody ever booked a minicab before. There's even Uber-like apps for minicabs.

[Ginger Yellow]

That said, like UA, I don't know what the administrative process here, nor the standard applied. My assumption based on other regulated industries is there's an effectively internal appeal, which is likely to be denied, and then Uber can or will try to seek judicial review. The two processes will likely have different standards and for that matter different tests.

[ursus arctos]

FWIW, that's my assumption too. Uber have already started the administrative appeal process and their licence remains in effect pending a decision.

[E10 Rifle]

They could always, you know, actually fucking address the reasons their license was revoked, and while they're at it, allow their workers to unionise and recognise it.

The IWGB union, which recently took Uber on in the courts, has opposed TfL's decision, which ought to perhaps get more attention than it has been. What with them being the actual fucking drivers who provide the service.

[Snake Plissken]

But Uber doesn't have workers. Apparently.

[Seven Saxon Kings]

The Millennials are freaking out, as if nobody ever booked a minicab before. There's even Uber-like apps for minicabs.

At least in our part of London they tend to be much harder to book (at least without waiting something like an hour on a Friday or Saturday night) and be about double the cost of Uber.

[Ginger Yellow]

But Uber doesn't have workers. Apparently.

In the UK, legally, they do.

[delicatemoth]

Plenty of non-white people pointing out that they have a hard time getting black cabs to stop for them too - here's a good thread on the subject.

It appears that the solution, as with just about everyfuckingthing, is to keep the actual thing but not have a private company running it. Will we do that? No.

[Flynnie]

At least in our part of London they tend to be much harder to book (at least without waiting something like an hour on a Friday or Saturday night) and be about double the cost of Uber.

The wait I'll grant you (although I don't know if Kabbee's app requests a ride from different minicab firms, which would wipe out much of the wait), but Uber's surge pricing seems to wipe out a lot of the price difference. And that price difference is coming at the expense of drivers living above the poverty line.

[delicatemoth]

Uber drivers' industrial action in Kenya

[Flynnie]

Supposedly Uber's investors subsidize each Uber ride to about 20%, their funding is running very thin, and they're offering subprime auto loans to people in the US to get them to drive for Uber. TFL might be just speeding up the inevitable here.

[Evariste Euler Gauss]

Wasn't there an image posted on this thread, or else a link, showing a TfL summary of their main points on "lack of corporate responsibility" - inadequate compliance with criminal barring checks etc etc.? What happened to that? Was it in a ilnked page which has itself been deleted or edited?

[ursus arctos]

Levin's post linked to a Tweet which has since been deleted.

Here is the TfL release

[Evariste Euler Gauss]

Thanks ursus.

Well done TfL, and well done Sadiq Khan.

[johnr]

Sadiq had nothing to do with the decision (it would be illegal for him to have done so), but does support it.

[Tubby Isaacs]

Indeed, it's TfL, not the Mayor.

Tom Tugendhat
@TomTugendhat
By banning @Uber @SadiqKhan is showing that socialism is about control when the internet is pushing for freedom of choice.

This buffoon is Conservative MP for Tonbridge and Malling.

[Vicarious Thrillseeker]

Uber drivers' industrial action in Kenya

The strike is over, and all companies are now back at work.

[Tubby Isaacs]

I think there's some kind of "Tories for young people" plan at work. Jez and Sadiq are dinosaurs who hate the internet, and the internet is good because buccaneering freebooters.

That's going to work, what with May and Cameron having spent years seeing the internet as something terrorists use.

[E10 Rifle]

It's Venezuelan-style dicatatorial politics, apparently.

Though as it goes TfL taking Uber into some form of public control would be a pretty good idea. And a better one than stripping them of their licence.

That said, the amount of bleating self-pitying entitled whining from Uber and their defenders has been pathetic to behold. It's as if no one in London ever went out before 2014, when behold, silicon valley invented a way to get around London, a city otherwise bereft of any public transport whatsoever.

[Tubby Isaacs]

The drivers co-owning the app and company could work.

[Tubby Isaacs]

You'll enjoy this, E10. From Business Insider.



From which I conclude that Uber operate mostly around Thamesmead.

[Sam]

That's hilarious.

I've never used it (it was declared illegal here shortly after arriving, not that that's stopped it operating anyway of course), but then I almost never get taxis either. This has been an interesting thread to follow from outside, though.

[Guy Profumo]

It's Venezuelan-style dicatatorial politics, apparently.

Though as it goes TfL taking Uber into some form of public control would be a pretty good idea. And a better one than stripping them of their licence.

That said, the amount of bleating self-pitying entitled whining from Uber and their defenders has been pathetic to behold. It's as if no one in London ever went out before 2014, when behold, silicon valley invented a way to get around London, a city otherwise bereft of any public transport whatsoever.

500,000

They reckon some 500,000 have signed their pathetic online petition.

500,000