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    Parma's cheesed off

    Parma, who won three European trophies in the 90s, will have to start life again in Italy's Serie D, from which only the winners of 9 regional leagues get automatic promotion, after failing to meet bankruptcy conditions that might have kept them in Serie B next year.

    #2
    Parma's cheesed off

    well the first bit is linked to to the second, given that the whole thing was built on fraud.

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      #3
      Parma's cheesed off

      Rogin the Armchair Fan wrote:
      ...Italy's Serie D, from which only the winners of 9 regional leagues get automatic promotion...
      That doesn't sound too onerous, in other countries they might have had to compete for one promotion place nationally not regionally.

      What kind of opposition are they likely to meet from the amateur teams in Emilia-Romagna, Tuscany & Veneto that are going to prevent them winning promotion?

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        #4
        Parma's cheesed off

        Though it is promotion into a regionalised third tier. They still are a long way from Serie B and relatively serious football.

        The competition question is highly dependent on what kind of players they retain, if any. Most have already bolted after having had to settle their back salary claims for cents on the euro.

        The emergence of of two new local Serie A sides in Sassuolo and Carpi may also hurt their recruitment.

        Then again, Siena won this year's edition after a similar administrative relegation, so there is a precedent for Parma.

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          #5
          Parma's cheesed off

          Napoli, Hellas and other significant clubs have all been in that third tier recently though, haven't they?

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            #6
            Parma's cheesed off

            Genoa and Fiorentina also, though the latter were allowed to skip a division while climbing the ladder.

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              #7
              Parma's cheesed off

              It was a different third tier, with only two regional groups, and a professional fourth tier (Serie C2) which itself was regionalised.

              Of the clubs mentioned, only the Viola were sent to C2, and, as DR notes, they were allowed to skip the C1 step on the way back to Serie B because of an administrative complaint that led to the expansion of Serie B.

              No club has yet returned to Serie A after being relegated to Serie D.

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                #8
                Parma's cheesed off

                So there's been a reorganisation since the above-mentioned clubs demotions then?

                Tough, when did that happen and what's been the greatest climb up the leagues since?

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                  #9
                  Parma's cheesed off

                  Harry, this is Italy.

                  There are constant re-organisations.

                  The latest one was to merge the then third and fourth tiers (then called Lega Pro Prima Divisione and Lega Pro Seconda Divisione) into the single Lega Pro, consisting of three regional groups with 20 clubs each.

                  2014-15 was the first season played in this format.

                  The most striking recent rise has been that of Carpi, which will playing in Serie A for the first time in 2015-16.

                  2000 - Bankrupt
                  2001 - Restart in Eccelenza (then sixth tier)
                  2002 - Promoted to Serie D (then fifth tier)
                  2010 - Promoted to Lega Pro Seconda (then fourth tier)*
                  2011 - Promoted to Lega Pro Prima (then third tier)
                  2013 - Promoted to Serie B
                  2015 - Promoted to Serie A

                  * Carpi didn't win promotion to Lega Pro Seconda on the field. Like Fiorentina, they benefited from an administrative ruling, in their case due to the bankruptcy of a number of Lega Pro Seconda clubs, which opened space in the division.

                  Like their fellow strivers from Emilia Romagna, Sassuolo, Carpi won't be playing in their "real" home ground, which doesn't meet Serie A requirements. Carpi will share a ground with Modena (themselves in Serie B), while Sassuolo now own the stadium in Reggio Emilia, where Reggiana (now in the third tier) are their tenants.

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                    #10
                    Parma's cheesed off

                    Ah, cheers UA. Invaluable info as ever. Is there any sense that the authorities are deliberately making it more difficult for clubs demoted as a punishment to get back to the upper reaches of the leagues or is that a (happy?) accident?

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                      #11
                      Parma's cheesed off

                      There's very little evidence that that is a motivation here. In fact, we have evidence that the top echelons of the FIGC have been appalled at the rise of "little" clubs like Carpi and Sassuolo at the expense of "bigger" clubs that they see as being more attractive to sponsors, broadcasters and overseas fans.

                      The major factor driving the re-organisations is the fact that lower league football in Italy is in very, very bad shape economically. It was always precarious, but it's tendency to rely entirely on small time sugar daddies proved a recipe for disaster when the economy collapsed. As a result, dozens of clubs at the lower levels have gone bust, while others (particularly in the south) have been caught up in various corruption, match fixing and money laundering investigations.

                      The current re-structuring is intended to create a more stable structure, but my personal view is that 60 clubs are still too many for the lowest professional tier.

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