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    #51
    Next Labour Leader?

    It will be Yvette. Probably not even close.

    Biggest live game is how much the likes of Umunna can be kept from the inner circle.

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      #52
      Next Labour Leader?

      Hold on, Diable Rouge has contributed to the middle of a thread? Strange days indeed.

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        #53
        Next Labour Leader?

        Labour won't elect a leader from London. They never do, and probably shouldn't, even though it's where some of the best, politically, come from (McDonnell, Corbyn, Osamor, West - not that any of them would stand a chance, and two are newbies). It's also going to stymie those being puffed up in the liberal media and among some Blairites (Umunna, Creasy).

        There aren't any Scots anymore, so it'll be best left to someone who comes from and represents a working-class town that isn't a city: hence Burnham.

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          #54
          Next Labour Leader?

          It's so depressing this.

          We had what would have been the first comprehensive educated PM (and not the sort of "comprehensive" Gove and all send their kids to). Yet we was swiftboated so that he seemed no different to Cameron, Osborne, Johnson and all.

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            #55
            Next Labour Leader?

            I like the look of Jarvis, as much as you can like the look of any politician these days. Creasey seems a decent sort, too. Dream ticket?

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              #56
              Next Labour Leader?

              Creasy will be perceived as too London-metropolitan-elite, rightly or wrongly (she's not dubbed "MP for Walthamstow Village" by one of my more cynical local mates for no reason). And she's not very collegiate. Won't get the support within the party.

              I do accept she's a good constituency MP though - she was visibly out and about on the anti-EDL demo in E17 today, for example.

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                #57
                Next Labour Leader?

                The Blairites are emerging from their swamp with that world weary, tut-tut, shake of the head.

                "The experiment with Socialism is over, the hard working British people have spoken loudly. They want a credible opposition, not one who offers an alternative. We’ve made poor choices in the past, and at this juncture we must return to our essential values free from the weight of outdated ideology.

                The party renewed, the country reborn with fairness and aspiration at its core. A Government who will govern for all hard working marginal seat registered voters. A Neo-Labour for a Neo-Britain."

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                  #58
                  Next Labour Leader?

                  Well, at least Jim Murphy isn't a contender.

                  What we need now is another interminable leadership election. Failing that, and interminable deputy leadership election.

                  Put me in the "one more heave" group.

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                    #59
                    Next Labour Leader?

                    What you need is to leave.

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                      #60
                      Next Labour Leader?

                      Join the SDP?

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                        #61
                        Next Labour Leader?

                        There'll probaby be people in the Lib Dems warning against a "lurch to the left".

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                          #62
                          Next Labour Leader?

                          Actually, I probably should leave so to speak.

                          I think Burnham's the best choice, but I can already hear the Mid Staffs lie going to be thrown at him all the time. It'll get repeated on the BBC ad nauseam, and not even the bloke who wrote the Mid Staffs report (Robert Francis) won't bother to contact the Prime Minister when he lies about his report.

                          I don't think I can be bothered.

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                            #63
                            Next Labour Leader?

                            God love her, but this is very typical of one of the most well-regarded in the media of the younger Labour intake. It looks astute and impressive and fresh on first hearing/reading it, but then you look again and it's underpinned by hidden levels of meaninglessness.

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                              #64
                              Next Labour Leader?

                              Dead link.

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                                #65
                                Next Labour Leader?

                                Sorted.

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                                  #66
                                  Next Labour Leader?

                                  TonTon wrote: What you need is to leave.
                                  Agreed. The worst thing about Labour is that good people waste their energy flogging a dead (and properly shit) horse.

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                                    #67
                                    Next Labour Leader?

                                    Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater. It is, what, two elections since Labour won a clear majority across the UK, three since it did so in England and Wales alone.
                                    Oh, you mean a left wing government? Yep, that horse is not just dead, it has been buried so long that it has completely liquefied.

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                                      #68
                                      Next Labour Leader?

                                      In 2011 Burnham was still refusing to say his support for the Iraq war was wrong. Has he changed his mind since?

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                                        #69
                                        Next Labour Leader?

                                        Geoffrey de Ste. Croix wrote: The Blairites are emerging from their swamp with that world weary, tut-tut, shake of the head.

                                        "The experiment with Socialism is over, the hard working British people have spoken loudly. They want a credible opposition, not one who offers an alternative. We’ve made poor choices in the past, and at this juncture we must return to our essential values free from the weight of outdated ideology.

                                        The party renewed, the country reborn with fairness and aspiration at its core. A Government who will govern for all hard working marginal seat registered voters. A Neo-Labour for a Neo-Britain."
                                        And two hours later..

                                        Second, we allowed the impression to arise that we were not on the side of those who are doing well.....But we talked too little about those creating wealth and doing the right thing.....But you cannot be pro good jobs without being pro the businesses that create them. In spite of the fact that our policy offer was pro-business, the rhetoric often suggested otherwise.

                                        Tubby and anyone else in the Labour Party, chuck it. Seriously, this is the Party's future for eternity.

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                                          #70
                                          Next Labour Leader?

                                          They can't find a narrative easily enough to appeal to swithering Tories, left-behind kippers, metropolitan Greens and Scotland.

                                          Making Scottish Labour free like the Scottish GP is a prerequisite, to develop a linked but distinct tone and platform (CDU:CSU style) but that leaves England to still find a way to square the circle. It's problem is that it will try, and fail, or decide to ignore one or two segments (Blairites have no appreciation of the Kipper tendency, and their own misanthropy towards that constituency leads them to think a bit of racism will buy it off). If it saw itself as part of a pluralist political reality, rather than a majority government in its own right, it would be better served.

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                                            #71
                                            Next Labour Leader?

                                            Geoffrey de Ste. Croix wrote:
                                            Originally posted by Geoffrey de Ste. Croix
                                            The Blairites are emerging from their swamp with that world weary, tut-tut, shake of the head.

                                            "The experiment with Socialism is over, the hard working British people have spoken loudly. They want a credible opposition, not one who offers an alternative. We’ve made poor choices in the past, and at this juncture we must return to our essential values free from the weight of outdated ideology.

                                            The party renewed, the country reborn with fairness and aspiration at its core. A Government who will govern for all hard working marginal seat registered voters. A Neo-Labour for a Neo-Britain."
                                            And two hours later..

                                            Second, we allowed the impression to arise that we were not on the side of those who are doing well.....But we talked too little about those creating wealth and doing the right thing.....But you cannot be pro good jobs without being pro the businesses that create them. In spite of the fact that our policy offer was pro-business, the rhetoric often suggested otherwise.

                                            Tubby and anyone else in the Labour Party, chuck it. Seriously, this is the Party's future for eternity.
                                            Anywhere where a party you approve of is romping home? Greece doesn't count.

                                            I'll stick with Labour then.

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                                              #72
                                              Next Labour Leader?

                                              Why?

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                                                #73
                                                Next Labour Leader?

                                                I think a person should still vote, but choose a party that will keep the Tories out in that particular constituency, even if they have to hold their nose while doing it. The alternative is you vote on principle but might let a Tory in.

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                                                  #74
                                                  Next Labour Leader?

                                                  I'd have thought the best hope is a broad left alliance.

                                                  Infighting is so often the curse of the left. By uniting slightly different left perspectives and approaches, they can't fight us all as one bloc; can't characterise us all as looney left/students/public sector and it is possible to attack them on different levels. The angry mob and the smiling assassin, as it were. Without and within.

                                                  I'm staying in the Labour Party and returning to active service.

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                                                    #75
                                                    Next Labour Leader?

                                                    In extremis.

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