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    Given that Brendan O'Neill came up in an earlier thread, he considers the reaction to be little more than an exercise in "virtue-signalling".

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      The Awesome Berbaslug!!! wrote:
      Originally posted by antoine polus
      Stephen Colbert is apparently 15/16ths Irish. In 2012 he published a book, as his conservative alter-ego, called "America Again: Rebecoming the Greatness We Never Weren't." He was way ahead of Trump.
      fifteen sixteenths Irish. That is one closed community. His wife is called Evelyn McGee
      My dad's probably not far off. Other than one great-grandmother of French-Canadian extraction (who was Protestant...!!), pretty much everybody married Irish Catholics (all of his great-great-grandparents emigrated from Ireland). It was definitely a Thing, until his generation pushed the boat out a bit and only married people who could only tick one box of being Irish or Catholic.

      Naturally I rebelled against that stulifying convention by marrying a woman with jackeen grandparents, so my son is almost certainly his own 6th cousin or something.

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        The Spectator, 22nd April 1945.

        SHOAH STRENGTH

        - Brendan O'Neill

        On the liberation of Belsen, let’s defend the right to hate speech.

        Last week, British and Canadian troops liberated Bergen-Belsen death camp, yet no sooner had Tommy Atkins walked under the arbeit macht frei sign with a box of Red Cross supplies than the chattering classes were already condemning ordinary, middle Nazi Germany as a seething volcano of stupidity and hatred.

        You could almost hear the bleeding heart of the first NAAFI-issue champagne quaffer on the scene- Mr Richard Dimbleby of the BBC (of course). His first-hand account of what he saw, heavy on the pathos, was ended with the most over the top ludicrous statement- “This day at Belsen was the most horrible of my life” . With Pathe Newsreel no better with its plaintive music, sorrowful commentary and its cherry picking of only the worst scenes of degradation, you begin to see clear evidence of a particularly nasty, puritanical crusade against free speech and agency. You have to wonder who the fanatics really are.

        Doubtless, the growing evidence of the wholesale, industrial slaughter of millions of people is a bad thing but when you see the reaction of Hollywood luvvies such as Mr Alfred Hitchcock announcing his intention to make a documentary with the shrill working title “Night Will Fall”, you begin to sense just what it was that brought the Nazis to power in the first place. This anti-Nazi, anti-free speech witch hunt is as unedifying as the mass of matchstick corpses piled on top of each other. “Hitler is literally Hitler!” the ban-happy brigade scream on the letters page of the Manchester Guardian.

        There is not one case in history of making a Nazi see sense through civilised debate and discussion but that is no excuse- banning them, no platforming them (which Mr Attlee’s socialist student associations are doing campus wide all over the country), shooting and bombing them is a step too far and is evidence of the sneering, condescending attitude towards good, honest, ordinary fascists Europe wide.

        There’s been a holocaust alright, not of the Jews but of free speech in which anti-Semitism and racialism are first into the gas chambers and ovens, victims of radical liberal leftie wallflowers scared of a few million heavily armed Wehrmacht troops and the SS.

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          Very good Geoffrey. O'Neill and the rest of the RCP are some fuckers. So of course the pisspoor Irish Times has no issue publishing his clickbait. Who will miss it when it goes under?

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            You're welcome to come and live in our poxy larger country...

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              That is pretty bad.

              Is the Church recovering its former position in Ireland or just taking its time to be pushed out, like a fungal infection on a toenail?

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                As local hack Malachai O'Doherty said recently, the problem in the South of Ireland isn't too few Catholics, but too many. Everyone wants a priest for their wedding, funeral or christening and a nun to provide social care, but few will volunteer to help the mainly elderly clergy.

                Meanwhile, especially for Calvert, the mad Catholic bastard's MCB Dana Rosemary Scallon is back. (Don't worry, she's not running again for presidente, just flirting with some football veterans at a 1982 reunion)

                http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b08mk1k0/real-lives-reunited-series-4-episode-3

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                  Reginald Christ wrote: The UK election knocked this off the front pages in Ireland but it deserves to be known. A religious order named The Sisters Of Charity has been granted ownership of the new state-funded National Maternity Hospital. Why is this significant or newsworthy?

                  The order is... one of 18 religious congregations which managed residential institutions for children investigated by the Ryan commission and was party to the 2002, €128-million indemnity agreement with the State.

                  Following publication of the Ryan report in 2009 the Sisters of Charity offered to contribute a further €5 million towards the €1.5 billion redress costs incurred by the State involving former residents of the institutions.

                  According to the Comptroller and Auditor General’s report last month the Sisters of Charity have contributed just €2 million of their 2009 offer to date.
                  An order that systematically abused children and their young mothers has been handed ownership of a maternity hospital. Only in Ireland would this happen. I despise this poxy little country.
                  Fuck that is absolutely disgusting. Like I wasn't already risking a stroke or heart attack with all the other badness this week. The boy Thimon and his young fogey schtick has outdone himself here. Why do we need those bastards running the thing anyway? Doubtless there will be a cosy private wing like the fucking mater misercordia and the penguins will doubtless make a pretty penny from running the state wing anyways. Fucking scum from top to bottom.

                  I can't imagine if those "all births are precious" bastards are running the place that the welfare of the mother will be paramount at all. It will take another Savita or worse before they would lose the contract though I suppose.

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                    Who is in charge of the current NMH at Holles Street then? Why aren't they taking over the new place as well?

                    Had to dig up my NMH birth cert for a job in France. First time my birth cert has been needed since I was written on to my mother's passport when I was three. The birth certn is an ancient looking form filled in using almost illegible cursive handwriting. Like some kind of ship's log from the 19th century. It has "Name and surname and dwelling place of Father" and "Rank and profession of Father". And "Name and surname and maiden surname of Mother". Address and job of mother is not on the form. My mother was earning more than my father at the time. But she was just a means for producing children in the eyes of the birth register.

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                      Does this get the operational running costs of the hospital out of the HSE/Dept of Health budget? Only reason I can think that Thimple Thimon did this.

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                        Here is the petition: https://my.uplift.ie/petitions/block...ospital?bucket

                        It's moving along at quite a pace.

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                          Doubtless Breda O'Brien will be having an Up The Nuns column prominent in the Irish Times disparaging the petition as being fake names/the usual leftist godless scum, and how the nuns are natural bestest at hospital administration and management.

                          I used to live across the road from a convent the Sisters wanted to divest themselves of, but tragically it was a listed building. It was a blessed relief to the (not Temple of Love) Sisters of Mercy and upstanding property developers alike when the convent was mysteriously gutted in a purely accidental fire soon after the nuns filed out. And lo, the surviving stone facade of the main convent building, and every square inch of the grounds unto the perimeter wall, was soon miraculously converted into poky wee Celtic Tiger "luxury apartments".

                          Those fuckers should be running the Irish drugs trade instead of a bunch of Blanch (?- I avoid Paul Williams Exclusives and Class As as much as I can these days) wackos, but don't let them anywhere near the halt and the lame.

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                            Irish Times is a pile of shite. How's this for a clickbait headline: Ireland on course to issue one million passports in wake of Brexit

                            Anyone reading that headline would think that 1 million new Irish passport holders have appeared out of nowhere

                            Further reading of the article reveals:
                            (1) 250,000 applications have been received for the first quarter of this year
                            So they've extrapolated to a million.

                            And:
                            (2) "Last year, the Department of Foreign Affairs issued 733,060 passports which represented a 9 per cent increase on 2015 and the projected one million passport applications follows last year’s Census confirming that Ireland has a population of 4.76 million."

                            'follows'? Are they suggesting a correlation. I don't know. But what does that have to do with Brexit anyway?

                            And:
                            (3)On the increase this year, a spokesman for the Department of Foreign Affairs said yesterday: “The increase in application numbers is attributable to a variety of causes including an expanding population and a significant increase in outbound travel in recent years.

                            Ah yes, Brexit.

                            There's no difference between that headline and tabloid sensationalism.

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                              Even if they didn't have a dark past and ulterior motives, a publicly funded hospital should be publicly owned.

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                                antoine polus wrote: Irish Times is a pile of shite. How's this for a clickbait headline: Ireland on course to issue one million passports in wake of Brexit

                                Anyone reading that headline would think that 1 million new Irish passport holders have appeared out of nowhere

                                Further reading of the article reveals:
                                (1) 250,000 applications have been received for the first quarter of this year
                                So they've extrapolated to a million.

                                And:
                                (2) "Last year, the Department of Foreign Affairs issued 733,060 passports which represented a 9 per cent increase on 2015 and the projected one million passport applications follows last year’s Census confirming that Ireland has a population of 4.76 million."

                                'follows'? Are they suggesting a correlation. I don't know. But what does that have to do with Brexit anyway?

                                And:
                                (3)On the increase this year, a spokesman for the Department of Foreign Affairs said yesterday: “The increase in application numbers is attributable to a variety of causes including an expanding population and a significant increase in outbound travel in recent years.

                                Ah yes, Brexit.

                                There's no difference between that headline and tabloid sensationalism.
                                UK applications are up 70%, but even they are only around the 50,000 mark.

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                                  So far, Soc Dems, Greens and Labour have been to the fore on the issue, but SF also concerned and even Billy Kelleher has expressed timid reservations. The Uplift petition has now shot past 63,000 signatures.

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                                    Our political leaders really haven't the slightest understanding of the importance of optics when selling a public project to the public. A Maternity Hospital in the hands of a religious order? Really? After all the horrors of the past, of which one was revealed just a month ago.

                                    It also suggests that the seriousness of the issue of child abuse by the religious orders still does not resonate with these people. To me, and to most people in the country I'd wager, the long list of crimes by the religious orders is so appalling as to warrant exclusion from any future involvement in any social and public role. Obviously, to some people, what happened wasn't that bad. I mean, if it was really bad, any religious order wouldn't ever be let near a health or educational facility.

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                                      What's going on today? Graham Linehen and Victoria Mary Clarke are both tweeting from some demonstration in Dublin with "NO NUNS" banners, but I can't make out what they're on about.

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                                        That'll be against the Susters of Charity being awarded sole ownership of the soon to be built new National Maternity Hospital. Apparently the Minister promises the interests of 'The State' will be protected. Which isn't the same as the interests of women. Never mind Abortion, how will this shower react to performing IVF like the current maternity hospital does?

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                                          Ah, right, thanks. I'd read the posts upthread but wasn't sure if this was connected.

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                                            As far as I can make out, the reason for this is that the Irish govt wants to build this hospital, and either they can buy this land off the nuns for a large amount of money, and take that from somewhere else. or build it on the nun owned land and let them nominally be in charge.

                                            So we can CPO the land off the nuns, but that's €200 million that the state has to find somewhere. So either the Nuns own the hospital, or we give them a load of money. The nuns aren't going to give us the land. They are stone cold sociopaths. they want to be buried with the money.

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                                              There's a difference between nominally owning the hospital and the nuns having no say in its running, to having 4 of 9 board members from the Penguins' Trust/corporate wing. Fuck sake keep the bastards away from having any say as to what goes on in the wards. They don't poke around the running of the management companies of the blandtastic office/resi/no fucking retail at all not even a spar developments built on their land between the hospital and Merrion road, do they? Just count the takings.

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                                                Is it this or St James Children's Hopsital (and maybe combining children's and maternity units might have been a good idea even if it meant building something a whole gasp ten storeys high?) that has become the second most expensive hospital in the world despite being as yet unbuilt? Sure, another 200 million will be nothing.

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                                                  Excellent piece in the Irish Times by John McManus about the new Maternity Hospital
                                                  Basically he says look at the board of directors and Follow The Money

                                                  I found his comment on the Sisters of Charity amusing and puts things in context as well

                                                  " It is of course physically impossible for the Sisters of Charity to run anything at this stage. There are just 213 of them in Ireland and their average age is 76. You cannot help feeling that after a lifetime of thankless personal service all that the majority of them want to run is as far away from this mess as possible."

                                                  http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/john-mcmanus-maternity-hospital-row-has-as-much-to-do-with-money-as-god-1.3063853

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