Let the gun nuts and cops have shoot outs with each other. Maybe it will keep both of them occupied and they won't have time to kill other people for a change.
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Nothing will get through a GOP congress and I suspect that even if the Dems held both houses they would be too scared of an electoral backlash; loss of power for a generation.
Rick Scott surely knows this so I'm not sure why he is making empty promises to aim to stop the "mentally ill", which he fails to define, obtain guns.
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Originally posted by multipleman78 View PostThe people who defend their rights to owning a gun generally come across as the same type of folk who go on about not wanting to have abortion as an option as it is ending a life. I wonder what they would choose if you gave them a compromise. Abortions are banned to protect unborn children and guns are banned to protect those who have been born. Do you think they would take the offer? I suspect not.
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the only thing that might change things is the teenagers themselves
angry, articulate, fearless. I read 125,000 teenagers have experienced a school shooting,
https://twitter.com/car_nove/status/964122342464081921
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/964321994949955585
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these kids are fantastic- but then they've seen war.
It's like the Vets who came back from VietNam.
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/964340971243786240
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The NRA are chickenhawks with bone spurs. These kids were forced to go to war.
https://www.msnbc.com/stephanie-ruhl...-1162322499637Last edited by Nefertiti2; 16-02-2018, 16:32.
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Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
However, a girl who went to the Alternative Program part of our school did, a few years after I graduated and was not in town, go to the HUB Lawn on PSU's campus with a rifle and shoot a few people before a very brave and alert bypasser stopped her. One fatality and one serious wounding. Fortunately, it happened right next to the College of Health and Human Services which is full of nurses. And one kid was saved because a massive textbook in his backpack blocked a bullet. She said that she was just planning to kill herself and then freaked out when she thought somebody would stop her. She definitely fit the definition of "mentally ill" in the sense that her perception of immediate reality was, umm, not inter-subjectively symmetrical, to use a term I just made up. But she is in a regular prison, as far as I know, which can't be ideal, though maybe mental health services are better for women in prison. Probably not.
After the news spread of that, I've always suspected that's why they changed the name of the Alternative Program to the Delta Program.
http://www.collegian.psu.edu/news/ca...a53a4a4b2.html
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Last night I was watching a programme on ITV entitled "Children who kill" about juvenile life without parole in the United States.
https://www.itv.com/hub/children-who-kill/2a5251a0001
It was interesting enough and focused on two individuals who killed when under the age of 18. What astonishes me though is giving them life without parole. After 19 years one of the individuals had his application for the sentence to be commuted to 40 years refused on the basis he might still be a danger to society. I really can't believe the way the United States behaves over this as it is only country in the World with juvenile life without parole. If you can't rehabilitate a 16 year old, what is the purpose of imprisonment. Yet the US now has more people in prison (per head of population) than anyone else in the World, the highest number of prisoners on life without parole and that figure doesn't include prisoners who have been given impossible sentences such as 150 years. With all the vitriol that has come out of the US recently about Muslims and Islamic law, the United States seems closer to sharia law than any western nation on earth.
Sorry for the thread hijack but I just didn't know where else to put this.
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Originally posted by Paul S View PostLast night I was watching a programme on ITV entitled "Children who kill" about juvenile life without parole in the United States.
https://www.itv.com/hub/children-who-kill/2a5251a0001
It was interesting enough and focused on two individuals who killed when under the age of 18. What astonishes me though is giving them life without parole. After 19 years one of the individuals had his application for the sentence to be commuted to 40 years refused on the basis he might still be a danger to society. I really can't believe the way the United States behaves over this as it is only country in the World with juvenile life without parole. If you can't rehabilitate a 16 year old, what is the purpose of imprisonment. Yet the US now has more people in prison (per head of population) than anyone else in the World, the highest number of prisoners on life without parole and that figure doesn't include prisoners who have been given impossible sentences such as 150 years. With all the vitriol that has come out of the US recently about Muslims and Islamic law, the United States seems closer to sharia law than any western nation on earth.
Sorry for the thread hijack but I just didn't know where else to put this.
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the prison issue deserves discussion- perhaps its own thread.
Especially the number of black men in prison
meanwhile, don't mourn. organise
https://twitter.com/studentswalkout/status/964601845741060096
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I've read a couple of things suggesting that the 1994 Republican surge was a lot to do with Clinton passing his modest gun control. Is that true?
What with that and Obamacare in 2010, I'm struggling with the proposition that there's an obvious path to victory for "bolder" progressivism.
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I think that's something like 10% true, 90% false. A lot of Republicans were funded by the NRA following that leglislation, but there would have been a wave anyway. There would be the usual anti-incumbent wave, of course. But more to the point, there would have been a wave because of the failed health-care legislation. What appears to be true is that addressing healthcare is always hugely dangerous in the US. But the NRA pushed the myth that it was gun control, and the myth has held a tight grip on Democrats since.
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It probably was a factor in some districts, but the more important factors in my memory were the whole Gingrich “Contract for America” nonsense and the campaign of fear against the attempts at health care reform.
A key element of the progressive argument is that the electorate is much different than it was in 1994.
Harry and Louise are dead.
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