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    There is no going around the PP on this. It has backing in Espaņa Profunda Tae fuck. So the PSOE will go along, just like Sensible Labour had anti immigration mugs, and even now sound a bit dodgy when talking about what’s wrong with the Single Market.

    Remember it was Gonzales who went even further than that bastard Aznar when it came to shit like shoot to kill in the Basque Country. Again, fuck em right in the ear. So apart from Podemos, as Swiss style neutralists, there is no major grouping in the Spanish Parliament that isn’t a total cunt on the constitution. Ciudadanos (too tired to sp check) are almost as cunty as the Free Democrats in Germany, and almost as Franco friendly on the Constitution as the PP themselves.

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      Could you seriously have expected a resolution to the Irish Question that involved all the archipelago having a say? So the burghers of Kent got to vote on whether Ireland should leave? If that was the law, I guess Parnell should have just sat the fuck down and stopped blocking the day’s business.

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        "it's illegal" - so fucking what?

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          Spent a couple of hours this morning wandering round the Cathedral of St John in Valletta. The perfect combination of militarism and catholicism. Right up Rajoy's street to be honest. Until you find that of the 8 langues (lands of origin) of the knights one was "Spain" (Castile, Leon, Portugal) and one was "Aragon" (also featuring Catalonia and Navarre).

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            Originally posted by TonTon View Post
            "it's illegal" - so fucking what?
            A surprisingly large amount of the process and the point of setting up your own independent country hinges around boring matters of law. particularly getting recognized by other countries, and er, not getting shot in the street. where do people imagine that this may ultimately lead?

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              Even as recently as the Nineties, the various Yugoslav republics were unrecognised and struggling with legality as they endeavoured to pursue independence. An interesting analysis of the situation:

              https://www.geopoliticalmonitor.com/...the-beginning/

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                Originally posted by The Awesome Berbaslug!!! View Post
                A surprisingly large amount of the process and the point of setting up your own independent country hinges around boring matters of law. particularly getting recognized by other countries, and er, not getting shot in the street. where do people imagine that this may ultimately lead?
                Hopefully with the non violent death of Spain. Can have their rump post fascist monarchical cuntyness, and the Basques and Catalans well out of it. But now I fear what’s coming is going to be very nasty.

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                  The Spanish prosecutor wanted to see Trapero, the head of the Mossos, imprisoned with bail today. Ultimately, he escaped that fate, but will have to surrender his passport and sign on with national police every 15 days.

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                    Meanwhile, the leaders of ANC and Omnium, two civic organisations, have been imprisoned on charges of sedition.

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                      Article 155 will be introduced tomorrow, and Puigdemont's party now supports the lifting of the UDI suspension in that event:

                      http://www.lavanguardia.com/politica...plica-155.html

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                        It’s WAR!.. But first, the weather!

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                          IMHO, the kind of exclusionary militant nationalism of the separatists is not a very good scene. The Catalans should heed Quebec's example, the province has benefited form federalism while still protecting its language and culture. Treating Spanish like the third language in the school system, imposing the monopoly of Catalan in the university system, generally making non-Catalans feel like second class citizens, holding on to 20th century grudges; they'd be better off moving beyond all of this.

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                            Originally posted by linus View Post
                            IMHO, the kind of exclusionary militant nationalism of the separatists is not a very good scene. The Catalans should heed Quebec's example, the province has benefited form federalism while still protecting its language and culture. Treating Spanish like the third language in the school system, imposing the monopoly of Catalan in the university system, generally making non-Catalans feel like second class citizens, holding on to 20th century grudges; they'd be better off moving beyond all of this.

                            Interestingly, there are four language models in the Basque education system:

                            A. All subjects taught in Spanish.
                            B. ", but Basque taught as an additional subject.
                            C. Most subjects taught in Basque, but Spanish as an additional subject.
                            D. Basque immersion model.

                            Since introduced, the A model has become practically obsolete, and the percentage of students moving from B to C and D is increasing by the year.

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                              X - 0.6% of students. Education is entirely in Spanish.
                              A - 26.2% of students. Education is entirely in Spanish, with Basque as a compulsory subject.
                              B - 23.0%. Education is partly in Basque, partly in Spanish (usually mathematics and reading/writing).
                              D - 50.2%. Education entirely in Basque, with Spanish as a compulsory subject.
                              So says Wiki, anyway

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                                Can just imagine the type of pijo PP fannies who want their kids to go through Type A.

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                                  In addition to calling Catalan elections for January, the PP-PSOE plan aims to take over the regional broadcaster, TV3, in order to render it "neutral" (in other words, indistinguishable from TVE).

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                                    Tve Fire all their newsreaders upon a change of Govt. And it’s shit sandwich. It’s 24 hour Kuenssberg on their pissy channels.

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                                      The date and time of the next session of the Catalan Parliament will be fixed on Monday morning:

                                      https://mobile.twitter.com/parlament...22793949630464

                                      No prizes for guessing the likely order of business.

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                                        No ulterior motive whatsoever, as Tusk, Juncker and Tajani are given the Prince of Asturias award on behalf of the EU.

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                                          So Puigdemont is addressing the nation at 9pm.

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                                            Which nation?

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                                              Presumably on Catalan TV, but indirectly Spain, as would imagine the national networks would also broadcast it. NB: That's 9 p.m. Spanish time, so 8 p.m. in Britain and Ireland.

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                                                Originally posted by ad hoc View Post
                                                Which nation?
                                                Catalonia.

                                                This is following the PP's decision, as the party with 11 out of 135 members of parliament, to install itself as Catalonia's government next Saturday.

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                                                  Demonstration underway in Barcelona calling for the release of the ANC and Omnium leaders.

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                                                    Puigdemont calls for Parliament session to "debate consequences of 155" - presumably code for independence vote, but couched so as to prevent a court intervention.

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