I'm wondering if both teams found a plateau that year and are at essentially the same level now as then.
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Germany and Portugal - Losing SFs in 2006 and 2012
To answer the original post, nah. These were pretty young teams this time around and I would think they would reasonably expect to be at least as good or better in the future, whereas both of the 2006 teams were mainly centered around an old guard of players where you knew they'd probably given their best.
Ages of the German starters against Italy: 26; 28, 23, 23, 23; 27, 25, 27, 22, 23; 26
That's outrageous, not a single player 30 or older and only 5 players older than 25. Lahm and Pigclimber should definitely be around in Brazil and have a good chance at being at 2016 as well. Making a semi-final with such a young squad and having it be a disappointment, is pretty impressive.
Ages of the Portuguese starters against Spain: 24; 24, 29, 30, 28; 26, 25, 29; 27, 28, 25.
Pretty much that entire lineup should be available in Brazil as well, although replacing the central defenders will be a concern for 2016 and onward. It's still a younger lineup than Spain, and if Olivera continues to develop, I think they could reasonably expect to contend for at least the next two major tournaments.
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dalliance wrote: What other route was there apart from the one the format decreed they and all the other teams in the competition would have to follow?
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I'd say this tournament has added even more scent of roses to Mourinho.
Benzema. Ozil. Khedira. C-Ron.
They all simply play better for him.
For Germany, they have that choice to make with Loew. The players did not play to their full potential, and have they reached their plateau with him. Mourinho looked at Barcelona's untouchable stranglehold, and did everything to break it. Does Loew's "there is absolutely no reason to question everything now," cut it ?
(Not concern trolling, by the way.)
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jasoń voorhees wrote: I'd say this tournament has added even more scent of roses to Mourinho.
I suspect the first part of that is related to the second.
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jasoń voorhees wrote: I'd say this tournament has added even more scent of roses to Mourinho.
Benzema. Ozil. Khedira. C-Ron.
They all simply play better for him.
For Germany, they have that choice to make with Loew. The players did not play to their full potential, and have they reached their plateau with him. Mourinho looked at Barcelona's untouchable stranglehold, and did everything to break it. Does Loew's "there is absolutely no reason to question everything now," cut it ?
(Not concern trolling, by the way.)
And maybe they were knackered as were the Bayern players?
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I didn't rate Portugal's 2006 vintage much (route to the SFs: an ugly win over Holland, dull pens win over England) - not as good as those of 2004 (or, with largely different personnel, 2000). They looked better this year than six years ago.
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You know what I meant, and now you are showing off like 15-year-old intruding on an adult conversation.
So then you said it wasn't that, but won't actually provide any sort of sensible alternative answer to explain your original bollocks point.
Instead you indulge in some infantile name calling because I push you on the point? Classy guy!
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For somebody who revels in wearing the crown of Most Patronising Poster on OTF, you seem to have a very thin skin when you are challenged by the same method.
You persisted in pursuing the line about Germany beating Spain after I said it's not what I meant. The alternative implication is pretty obvious: I believe that on performance Germany deserved to be in the final, as much or more than Holland. It really is not a difficult conclusion to arrive at.
Having a teenage son, I recognise that line of "debate". So instead of asking politely for a clarification, you shout "bollocks" at what you think I might mean. And then you wonder why your tone is met in kind?
An adult would have said something like: "Ah, got you. Yeah, they deserved it more than Holland" or "Rubbish, Germany's victories against England and Argentina were overrated, and Holland deserved it more to be in the final."
But if you'll be obtuse, on ocassion I'll exercise my prerogative to call you on that. And I'm not particularly worried whether you like it.
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Ah, the fantasy victory theory. Never mind the reality of the draw, in my addled mind had we faced anyone else but Spain in the semi-final then I have arbitrarily decided we would probably have deserved to win that game and reach the Final, only to lose to umm... Spain a round later.l.
So no, that was not clear because it's such a infantile argument and I can't believe you are making it. Was it worth acting such a prick to try and get this across g-Man, really?
Anyway fuck it, time for a long break from here I think.
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I would say that Holland, in defeating Brazil and Uruguay, had earned their spot in the final. Brazil were better than England or Argentina; Uruguay were a tough nut to crack, with a solid defence and top strikers, arguably better than Argentina, definitely better than England.
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