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    #26
    John Peel Day

    Mr Beast wrote:
    John Peel was great on TOTP in the mid 80’s. I remember after Robert Palmer’s Addicted to Love video was played he said “Robert Palmer there…nice to see he’s ditched all that sexist nonsense.”

    Just what is missing since he died is summed up nicely by Jarvis Cocker:

    "Peel's appeal came down to something very simple: he was an enthusiast. The only reason he was doing what he was doing was because he loved it - and he loved it so much that he wanted to share it with people. To have your own radio show and play just what you like! To communicate with the audience just as if you were talking to a friend. What a simple idea! How obvious!
    So how come no one else is doing it?"
    Well, lots of people including moi are doing that, only on tiny internet stations, and not quite as well.
    What made Peel great was his wit and a talent I find hard to define; he was simply a great radio personality. Also, in the days when stations were limited as we had no internet, there was a great unifying experience in listening to his show, just as we all watched TOTP and to a lesser extent, Whistle Test. Now it's all fragmented here, there and everywhere.

    I appreciated Mr Peel greatly, but am less fond of his legacy - music fans thinking they deserve a pat on the back simply for liking music, like those bores who post endless YouTube clips on Facebook with a proprietorial air, as though they have made it themselves, and a particular type of anorak who assumes glamorous people (or girls) can never be "real" or "passionate" about music - but I don't want to sound like a sourpuss.

    He was great, with a few faults (could have done without his slightly lechy thing for schoolgirls, and occasional bitching at people who didn't deserve it). But we're none of us perfect, eh. He was generally rather wonderful.

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      #27
      John Peel Day

      I quite like the Facebook Youtube thing, as long is it's done in the right spirit, which is either "You all know this, isn't it great?" or "Not enough people know this, and I reckon it's great!" In other words, if it's about the music rather than self-aggrandisement, as it was for Peel. Our own evilC, for one, is brilliant at this.

      But the thing about feeling virtuous because one has a slightly recherché taste in music: that is indeed a big problem among the half of our population that has knobs and bollocks.

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        #28
        John Peel Day

        Don't get me started.

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          #29
          John Peel Day

          I should perhaps explain to Calvert why I think the Clash were wrong to take the position they did. It's a bit solipsistic, but here goes: I was 13 in 1976 (and, well, 14 in 1977, and so on in the normal way), and punk reached me almost entirely via TOTP. And, you know, Changed My Life (or at least revolutionised my musical taste). For the bigger kids like Calvert, there were other avenues, but TOTP was the conduit for many of us.

          And for all its many faults, it was the flagship pop music show of the world's greatest public service broadcaster, which I think ought to have weighed more heavily with a bunch of lefties.

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            #30
            John Peel Day

            Why at Last! wrote:
            Calvert W. McCutcheon wrote:
            Aye, it was the ruination of them, they could've sold a few more units.
            You think I meant "commercial error"?
            Which error do you refer to, then, pop pensioner?
            They made quite a few, ultimately being full of shit, signing to a major then releasing triple albums full of self-indulgent tripe or Mick Jones attempting to morph into Keith Richards?

            They probably worked out that sharing a stage with Disco Duck would've made them look even sillier.

            E10 would've loved it, though.
            He's all about the fun.

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              #31
              John Peel Day

              MsD wrote:
              like those bores who post endless YouTube clips on Facebook with a proprietorial air
              Doesn't everyone do this once in a while when they're pissed? WaL! sums up the pleasing realtionship of Facebook and Youtube quite perfectly. As a matter of fact, I shared the compilation of Peel ToTP performances on Facebook this morning because I appreciated being pointed to it and knew a few friends of mine would think similarly.

              "Peel's appeal came down to something very simple: he was an enthusiast. The only reason he was doing what he was doing was because he loved it - and he loved it so much that he wanted to share it with people. To have your own radio show and play just what you like! To communicate with the audience just as if you were talking to a friend. What a simple idea! How obvious!
              So how come no one else is doing it?"
              Yeah, that's spot on. It's also something that comes across big time in Jarvis's own, incredible radio show.

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                #32
                John Peel Day

                MsD wrote:
                like those bores who post endless YouTube clips on Facebook with a proprietorial air
                I generally post a link a day. It's not out of some crusade to educate the proles on my friends list about good music (although I swear if one more person posts a fucking Kasabian link I might just go off on one), it's just because it's usually that day's earworm and I want to inflict my misery on everyone else.

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                  #33
                  John Peel Day

                  Why at Last! wrote:
                  For the bigger kids like Calvert, there were other avenues, but TOTP was the conduit for many of us.
                  I'm actually younger than you, saucy git.
                  I got my information from the same sources as you, though, but if you were really into it, TOTP was most certainly not where to go.

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                    #34
                    John Peel Day

                    But how did you (one, I mean) get really into it?

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                      #35
                      John Peel Day

                      D'ya ken John Peel?

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                        #36
                        John Peel Day

                        I occasionally post YouTube clips, play some fairly obscure new, forgotten or overlooked gems on the internet radio and at clubs and parties. What I don't do in either case is act as though I've discovered them or are responsible for them, which is what I was moaning about.

                        What pees me off is anoraks acting like they know or care more about music than musicians. If you are so passionate about it, make some yourself, or carry on promoting it but don't think you're doing anything out of the ordinary. It doesn't take talent to like an old record, it takes a good memory to remember it, and who it's by, is all. It arguably takes a "good ear" to spot potential in a record or a live band, that's rarer.

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                          #37
                          John Peel Day

                          Fanzines, sharing record, general communication with other people, the usual.

                          Chart shows like TOTP are usually a bit behind.

                          I'd have thought shows like Whistle Test and Revolver would've been more educational?

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                            #38
                            John Peel Day

                            They'd certainly teach you what an endless parade of finger-picking tramps looks like.

                            I think Wyatt's point is that you need to know that The Clash's world of music exists before you get to hear about fanzines, other people into that world and so on, and that TOTP was the ideal platform for that. It's not often potentially life-changing culture plops into your living room while you'd having your tea at home. I agree.

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                              #39
                              John Peel Day

                              Lucia Lanigan wrote:
                              It's not often potentially life-changing culture plops into your living room while you'd having your tea at home
                              See also:

                              Highway with Harry Secombe
                              The A-Team
                              Scotsport

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                                #40
                                John Peel Day

                                Well, if that's the criteria, and I do take Wyatt's point, how come the Clash became so influential without ever appearing on TOTP?

                                'finger picking tramps', hahaha.

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                                  #41
                                  John Peel Day

                                  On the Stone Roses thread, I mentioned how important DEF II was in my musical education. It probably wasn't just me, it must have been a massive generation of kids who had finished watching kids TV on BBC1 and then switched to BBC2 at 6pm to watch videos of Public Enemy, Run DMC, Eric B and Rakim, etc.

                                  TOTP had already introduced the Beastie Boys and I remember this being the biggest TOTP moment ever (well, since Neil from the Young Ones did "Hole in my Shoe") when I was in primary school.

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                                    #42
                                    John Peel Day

                                    It's a mind-blowing thought that in those days people would buy, say, 'Hole In My Shoe' on 7 inch vinyl and play it about ten times per day (also hear it on radio) and maybe TOTP, gradually get bored of it, then buy Mull Of Kintyre and repeat the process.

                                    I'm off to buy new tyres as I'm already on 6 points.

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                                      #43
                                      John Peel Day

                                      Gangster Octopus wrote:
                                      D'ya ken John Peel?
                                      Eventually, yeah.

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                                        #44
                                        John Peel Day

                                        My musical generation never had DEF II. It wasn't thought of. We could only afford ground-breaking youth television at Christmas, and then it was only for our Dad.

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                                          #45
                                          John Peel Day

                                          steveeeeeeeee wrote:
                                          On the Stone Roses thread, I mentioned how important DEF II was in my musical education. It probably wasn't just me, it must have been a massive generation of kids who had finished watching kids TV on BBC1 and then switched to BBC2 at 6pm to watch videos of Public Enemy, Run DMC, Eric B and Rakim, etc.
                                          This has just bought the reality of living at home with your (well, my) parents rushing back. My chances of watching anything for more than five minutes without my dad changing the channel or a row breaking out were pretty much nil. But he liked TOTP for some reason, so we got to watch that. DEF II? Dance Energy? No chance.

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                                            #46
                                            John Peel Day

                                            I love watching Youtube clips. They're boss. I've never really thought about whether the people uploading are proprietorial or not, but then I don't really read the comments, I just look at the clips. Whenever I have read them, they tend - on the whole - to have the appearence of being written by thick people.

                                            I suppose ultimately unless it is interesting, thought provoking or funny, I don't really give a toss about what other people think about music.

                                            Youtube is particularly great for obscure stuff I reckon that's either hard or stupidly expensive to get hold of.

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                                              #47
                                              John Peel Day

                                              MsD wrote:
                                              like those bores who post endless YouTube clips on Facebook with a proprietorial air, as though they have made it themselves, and a particular type of anorak who assumes glamorous people (or girls) can never be "real" or "passionate" about music - but I don't want to sound like a sourpuss.
                                              I do this.

                                              And what Mat said.

                                              If you don't like someone sharing their joy of music on a social network, then you know what to do. I'm not trying to score points when I post videos and other links. If it makes people happy, alerts them to things and maybe engenders discourse at the same time, then job done.

                                              I'm only on social networks for music reasons. When it comes to socialising, I've got the real world - and here - for that.

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                                                #48
                                                John Peel Day

                                                Man, and I worried about appearing a sourpuss.

                                                The point, which WoE grasped but everyone else seemed to take as a personal slight, is not the sharing of music - as I've pointed out, I do that all the time - it's the way certain people do expect kudos from it and rank their knowledge/passion above others.

                                                I wasn't getting at you - I don't have access to your FB page, but I am getting at a certain type of bloke who pisses me off. It's not a competition, but I and my best girlfriends, musicians or otherwise) probably know as much if not more about music of various genres, although we may not know catalogue numbers etc. etc.
                                                I do find it gratifying to trump them sometimes.

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                                                  #49
                                                  John Peel Day

                                                  I've never come across that though, but to be honest it probably just drifts past me.

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                                                    #50
                                                    John Peel Day

                                                    Thanks for that Festive Greatest Hits thingy. I hardly ever listened to Peel as a teenager, mainly because as soon as I discovered anyone I thought good (ie, they charted), he stopped playing them. Which is fair enough I suppose.

                                                    That said, the Sisters of Mercy covering Hot Chocolate is bloody tight, what? #15 in 1984.

                                                    I'm having a happy flashback to Dougie Knight's record shop (used to be opposite Reverend McCutcheon's gaff in Belfast). Dougie was a mate of Van Morrison's Da and orginally was a motor mechanic and bicycle repair shop, until his blues collection chased out the gears and engine parts.

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