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I love Pulp.
I've never fully understood why their view of England is seen as retro either. I don't think the 70's ever really went away really. Not in England. And acrylic, wood-chip, Trebor Mints, traffic islands and formica all definately still exist.
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- An oasis in the middle of Somerset
- Bath City FC; Porthcawl RFC;Wales in most things.
- Fig roll - deal with it.
Pulp aren't really all that
I'm quite relaxed about so many people failing to like or 'get' Pulp, because for a band whose very essence is tribal and oppositional
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Mat wrote:
The Trebor factory in East Ham.
Look at it, just look at it! It's like a building from the future or something.
As SR suggests, Cocker's appeal diminished mightily as his persona deveoped from provincial outcast kicking back against the bullies to king of the ironic trucker's cap crowd.
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Jarvis Cocker in a Baseball Cap? I would need to see evidence of that.
We really, really need you, Jarvis, more than oxygen.
He's a John Lydon-type character.He can talk any amount of old cobblers constantly contradicting himself just blah-blahing off the top of his head and people will still think he's a genius, not some eejit with a '70's fixation.
I suppose that's a kind of genius in itself.
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Mitch wrote:
Jarvis Cocker in a Baseball Cap? I would need to see evidence of that.
But even if you mean, more figuratively, "King Of The Hipsters", were Pulp ever the darlings of that lot?
It's more to do with Jarvis as an individual/media personality than Pulp, the band.
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Bored of Education wrote:
I'm quite relaxed about so many people failing to like or 'get' Pulp, because for a band whose very essence is tribal and oppositional
Mis-Shapes: "We'd like to go to town but we can't risk it".
I-Spy: "You can take your year in Provence and shove it up your arse".
Joyriders: "We can't help it, we're so thick we can't think".
Common People: "You are amazed that they exist".
Party Hard: "I used to try very hard to make friends with everyone on the planet".
And that's before getting into the interpersonal relationships stuff which often pits Cocker (as narrator) against a nemesis who is clearly identified as being *cough* in a different class: Babies, Pink Glove, etc.
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Calvert W. McCutcheon wrote:
He'd then be feted as the man who reclaimed baseball caps for the hip from the great unwashed, the post modern genius of irony. Magazines would run features called 'The Cat in the Hat' hailing his return to form and calling him things like, essential
We really, really need you, Jarvis, more than oxygen.
He's a John Lydon-type character.He can talk any amount of old cobblers constantly contradicting himself just blah-blahing off the top of his head and people will still think he's a genius, not some eejit with a '70's fixation.
I suppose that's a kind of genius in itself.
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Spearmint Rhino wrote:
I'm also not bothered if a bunch of tossers miss the point of "Common People". I was more bothered when Jarvis himself started hanging around with the Hoxton rich, and even married some double-barreled posh woman. That felt like a betrayal.
And secondly, he did try to be a normal bloke for as long as he could. I had (non famous, quite poor) mates living down his street (Haberdasher Street) and when he first moved in he would be in the scruffy rundown local boozer, and local shop, and would trundle around on his bike. But, everywhere you spotted him, you would also spot people excitedly texting or calling and the local boozer became suddenly very full of people on the lookout for him .. and people would casually pretend to ignore him, or try to talk to him normally, "alright, Jarvis?", or just nod, but when you're out for a quiet drink and have dozens of people all surreptitiously looking at you .. it's not normal, however much everyone tries to pretend it is so. And so there's that barrier that makes normal interaction difficult. But he really did try to be normal; he really didn't give it the rockstar or even the English eccentric.
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and people would casually pretend to ignore him
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I'm not suggesting anyone behaved at all badly, but there was just a lot of attention and this does feel a bit odd and make one feel self conscious. People often don't know how to act around famous people and end up fawning or being hostile, which is why the Groucho exists and why artists tend to flock together. People were generally nice and quite cool to Jarvis but 100s of people suddenly deciding they like that pub? He was the centre of attention whilst not courting it, at all.
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Bored of Education wrote:
I'm quite relaxed about so many people failing to like or 'get' Pulp, because for a band whose very essence is tribal and oppositional
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Spearmint Rhino wrote:
Bored of Education wrote:
I'm quite relaxed about so many people failing to like or 'get' Pulp, because for a band whose very essence is tribal and oppositional
What about the people outside of those stereotypes who simply weren't big fans of Pulp or Jarvis Cocker?
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historyman wrote:
Spearmint Rhino wrote:
Bored of Education wrote:
I'm quite relaxed about so many people failing to like or 'get' Pulp, because for a band whose very essence is tribal and oppositional
What about the people outside of those stereotypes who simply weren't big fans of Pulp or Jarvis Cocker?
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- Mar 2008
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- An oasis in the middle of Somerset
- Bath City FC; Porthcawl RFC;Wales in most things.
- Fig roll - deal with it.
Pulp aren't really all that
I wasn't really debating it, I just didn't get that particular vibe (for want of a better word) from them but I bow to everyone else's better knowledge.
People often don't know how to act around famous people and end up fawning or being hostile, which is why the Groucho exists and why artists tend to flock together.
Oh, and (e) get a half-decent meal. Don't get me wrong, I don't mind the place and it is an OK oasis to drink especially in the desert of decent places to drink that is SoHo but let us not have any pretensions of why it is there. It is to make people feel special
I have seen plenty of famous people and artists in normal bars who have been either not or minimally bothered by people and just haven't acted precious about it.
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Yes, and Jarvis was not acting precious about it, when Pulp was really hot, and so he had ever growing crowds around him when he was trying to have a quiet drink.
It is rubbish to pretend that most people are all terribly bored by, and act entirely naturally in the presence of, even mildly famous people. Some do, yeh, others don't, and it's a pain in the arse if you are not in the mood and even one person you don't know saunters up to you nonchalantly and chats to you like you're a regular guy. Only if you were a regular guy, they wouldn't have come up to you, they'd have left you alone.
Yes, some famous people show off, but a lot of them just want to do their job and relax when off duty, without having to talk to strangers, or being seen as rude if they snub them.
And ps, neither I nor my friends go to the Groucho to feel "special"; it's nothing great and there are a lot of swankier bars I prefer. But at least you can sit down in there.
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