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    #51
    2022: Nasty case of Qatar

    I don't have a problem with accommodating Qatar's weather. If you can't have a World Cup any month but July you rule out a lot of places that might deserve it, if not now then someday. The climate debate is Euro-centric, and I understand FIFA's aim for football not to be primarily a European sport. I also think Qatar has some real advantages, economically, logistically, geographically.

    I do have a problem with accommodating Qatar's culture and laws. They are entitled to their beliefs. But if they want to welcome the world in, they need to accommodate the world. Which means bending on whether you can sip a fermented beverage in the stands, or whether I can bring my male partner without fear of reprisal, etc. There's no sign any of that will happen or has even been considered.

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      #52
      2022: Nasty case of Qatar

      but europe/northern hemisphere is where all of the good players, most of the participating players, and about half of the participating countries are.

      and you don't make football less euro-centric by this bullshit means.

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        #53
        2022: Nasty case of Qatar

        The Awesome Berbaslug!!! wrote:
        but europe/northern hemisphere is where all of the good players, most of the participating players, and about half of the participating countries are.
        I get that. But if the charge of FIFA is to *spread* the game and promote it in new places, which I think it should be, it seems like a change to accommodate a different geography and climate is logical.

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          #54
          2022: Nasty case of Qatar

          hold on, football is the most popular sport on earth, played everywhere by everyone. Taking the world cup to the middle of the desert and fucking up the timing of three seasons for the worlds major leagues isn't going to change anything.

          It's also going to stick a major international tournament into the middle of the winter break/domestic season for nearly every player in the competition. At least with a world cup in june, they get a couple of weeks off before, and a month or so off afterwards.

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            #55
            2022: Nasty case of Qatar

            I think this might just be the first step to shifting the European club season to span the summer, dodging the shitty weather in the depths of winter. Russia do it already, don't they?

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              #56
              2022: Nasty case of Qatar

              They do, but they are switching to a traditional European calendar with a winter break in 2012/13.

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                #57
                2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                Ah ...

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                  #58
                  2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                  By arranging a difficult World Cup tournament a lot earlier than usual FIFA seem to have played this smartly. However difficult the logistics at this remove by the time even the qualifiers roll round precious few of todays doomsayers will still be involved in the game. By 2018 most of the games organisers managers players and fans will be conditioned to accept the next world cup will be played in January.

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                    #59
                    2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                    Disagree.

                    Because the economic imperatives won't change that quickly. Brazil won't be the biggest television market, to pick just one example.

                    To the contrary, this (like the combined 2018/22 process) is nothing but Blatter's attempt to control the process long after he is no longer president (and may not be alive). His Rosebud moment has come a bit early.

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                      #60
                      2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                      Watched some of Qatar losing 2-0 at home to Uzbekistan in the opening game of the Asian Cup. They looked diabolically bad.

                      Uzbekistan's second goal was very funny, a Jesper Olsen-style backpass across the penalty area by a Qatari defender being punished by the striker who simply rolled it into the unguarded net.

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                        #61
                        2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                        They Aspire to be better by 2022.

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                          #62
                          2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                          Three quarters of the qatari population of 1.6 million are expats, meaning that qatar has fewer players to pick from than luxembourg.

                          of course they're going to be shit, unless the rules are relaxed to allow them to use cyborgs, or sign brazilians.

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                            #63
                            2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                            They already sign Brazilians, Berbaslug.

                            Africans too.

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                              #64
                              2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                              Analogue Bubblebath II wrote:
                              Watched some of Qatar losing 2-0 at home to Uzbekistan in the opening game of the Asian Cup. They looked diabolically bad.

                              Uzbekistan's second goal was very funny, a Jesper Olsen-style backpass across the penalty area by a Qatari defender being punished by the striker who simply rolled it into the unguarded net.
                              Dont see the point of this. Its still 11 years to their WC and they have been blessed with the longest run ever up to the tournament while money will be no object.

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                                #65
                                2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                                The point is why the fuck the World Cup finals were given to a microscopically tiny petrodollar state that is relentlessly shit at football.

                                Uruguay, for example, is a very small country. But its denizens are quite good at football. I'd have no problem with them hosting the World Cup.

                                Qatar have less football pedigree than the Faroe Islands, for fuck's sake.

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                                  #66
                                  2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                                  Their quality as a football team is the least significant issue here.

                                  Surely the FIFA Executive Committee votes on bids based around the proposals as set out within the bid document, that is of course the ones who have not had their vote bought up and actually read the things and make an informed decision as they are meant to.

                                  I was not aware that Qatar had put forward this winter World Cup as an option in their proposal, all the talk was focused on the air conditioning gubbins. So surely execs voted on the bid based around it being a traditional summer one, would the European members of the Board necessarily have voted for Qatar had they known that a few weeks later they might have to contend with irate clubs and sponsors who will be a long way from happy about this?

                                  I actually think a proper head to head fight is what's needed, Blatter is taking a step too far in encroaching into club territory here and it might be the catalyst for the clubs to tell him to go fuck himself. It's all about the players and the clubs will always win when it comes down to it.

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                                    #68
                                    2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                                    isn't fergie some kind of amba$$ador for qatar.

                                    Dalliance Fifa knew all about the climate problems in qatar because they had to move the asian games, which caused a bit of a fuss.

                                    they just didn't care.

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                                      #69
                                      2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                                      Qatar have less football pedigree than the Faroe Islands, for fuck's sake.
                                      Actually, the first time I had ever heard of Qatar was in 1981 when their U-20 team reached the final for that age group (in Australia, if memory serves). They lost 4-0 to West Germany.

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                                        #70
                                        2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                                        FIFA Ethics official resigns.

                                        In a letter to ethics commission president Claudio Sulser, the out-going Hirsch wrote: "The events of the past few weeks have raised and strengthened the impression that responsible persons in Fifa have no real interest in playing an active role in resolving, punishing and avoiding violations against ethic regulations of Fifa."

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                                          #71
                                          2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                                          I don't know how much grounding in reality this possesses, but Jesse Fink claims that FIFA may be sued by "the Americans", meaning, one would assume, the US Soccer body.

                                          Why? Because all World Cup bidders took an undertaking when they officially entered the 2022 bidding contest that they would follow the letter of the law in the Bid Registration documents lodged on March 16, 2009.

                                          Clause 1.2, under the main heading “THE COMPETITIONS”, states: “the following FIFA competitions will be the subject of the Bidding Process governed by this Bid Registration” and “the final competitions of the FIFA World Cup which are scheduled to take place as follows the 21st edition in June and/or July of 2018 and the 22nd edition in June and/or July of 2022.”
                                          I think this would be no more than rumblings. FIFA don't take kindly to being sued by member associations. Isn't it even a condition of membership that this not be done?

                                          On the other hand, the Australian government may find it worthwhile to get some of that $45 million back. They have no such obligations to FIFA.

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                                            #72
                                            2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                                            What are they going to do, kick the USSF out of FIFA?

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                                              #73
                                              2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                                              dalliance wrote:
                                              It's all about the players and the clubs will always win when it comes down to it.
                                              Why?

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                                                #74
                                                2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                                                Bidding countries are always moving the goalposts after winning the bid though aren't they?

                                                And England should be the last people of all to be making a fuss about such things as they seem to be abandoning their Olympic legacy promises with every day.

                                                Should the IOC take their Olympics back?

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                                                  #75
                                                  2022: Nasty case of Qatar

                                                  Tactical Genius wrote:
                                                  Bidding countries are always moving the goalposts after winning the bid though aren't they?
                                                  But is it Qatar who are moving the goalposts, or FIFA? Random statements from FIFA executives that appear to represent only their own views aren't really helping Qatar win any hearts and minds, are they?

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