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    Quote Originally Posted by MsD View Post
    Hmm, that's the first time I've tried the phrase "mashup" and I seem to have got away with it.
    On the internet, you can never be entirely confident that you have gotten away with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray de Galles View Post
    Is that the thing Toby Jones recently did a playlist for?
    You would appear to be correct: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b09b0yd3.

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    Never been the same since George Lamb left.

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    My heart has hardened against Lamacq after listening to the anal tongue bath of an interview he did with Noel G yesterday. The overall gist was that his new album is as bold a step as if Miles Davis had skipped straight from Kind Of Blue to Bitches Brew, but with better tunes. It was quite funny when Lammo (as no one calls him except for his own jingles) suggested that one new album track sounded a bit like U2 and the great songwriter replied that they'd been aiming for a Can feel.

    George Lamb's complete lack of interest in music might have been an asset there in that he quite possibly wouldn't have known who the senior Gallagher was.

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    The new Noel G joint was given a unanimous thumbs-up when played on Roundtable a couple of weeks back, too - and 6 have been rinsing it pretty much daily since then. (Is that enough 'down with the kids'-speak for an opening para?)

    All I'm hearing is a mash-up of Plastic Bertrand and Ricky Martin. Which is probably affording it more kudos than it deserves.

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    Elements of Ramones' Rock and Roll Radio as well. To be honest that new Noel track has fair got under my skin. It's not quite the song of the year that 6 are making it out to be, but it's not a bad tune either. At least he's doing something a little different to the standard Gallagher production line, and if anyone on here has heard Liam's recent whiney nasal throwback to Be Here Now well that can't get any worse.

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    Gideon Coe is a friend of mine, and in a startling display of 'who you know', gave a song of my band's a playing just before midnight last year - so I think he should remain evermore.

    Oddly though, he picked our worst-ever track, and I've had a 20-year occasional argument with him about the merits or otherwise of particular guitar bands. So he should go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jah Womble View Post
    The new Noel G joint was given a unanimous thumbs-up when played on Roundtable a couple of weeks back, too - and 6 have been rinsing it pretty much daily since then. (Is that enough 'down with the kids'-speak for an opening para?)

    All I'm hearing is a mash-up of Plastic Bertrand and Ricky Martin. Which is probably affording it more kudos than it deserves.
    Brilliant, I've been trying to nail who it reminds me of since 6 Music began assaulting us with it on an hourly basis a few weeks ago. Ricky Martin is spot on and there's absolutely no kudos attached to that.

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    Radcliffe and Maconie had more freedom on Radio 2 and have become too predictable on 6. Radcliffe plugged the Morrissey live appearance like a fanboy, which he clearly is not in reality. Why not let them say what they truly feel? Their expertise is wasted if they just become pluggers of the same old same old.

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    Apart from Shaun Keaveny's deliberate (but careful) comic shtick, you won't get that kind of freedom of opinion on daytime 6Music.

    At the risk of labouring an earlier point, presenters talking animatedly about an oldie they've played dozens of times over the past year is now default. I mean, I too look forward to the day that Lauren Laverne utters 'for Christ's sake, are we really playing this again?' - but it ain't gonna happen anytime soon. (At least not while she's earning £300k a year...)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
    Radcliffe and Maconie had more freedom on Radio 2 and have become too predictable on 6. Radcliffe plugged the Morrissey live appearance like a fanboy, which he clearly is not in reality. Why not let them say what they truly feel? Their expertise is wasted if they just become pluggers of the same old same old.
    That's another lesser gripe of mine - the back scratching that goes on around the 6 Music festival, 6 Music Live and the one off Maida Vale appearances. It's not unique to 6 Music, and I understand why it happens - it's kudos for the station to get big names involved, and the artist wants something out of it, but it means they flog the latest Morrissey / Noel single to death (regardless of quality) for weeks before and after. That and, as you say, the constant plugging of the events themselves.

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    Fair enough on why they do it, but it seems a waste of presenting talent when you have two knowledgeable presenters performing essentially the same function as a payola station.

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    It's definitely a station for ageing indie kids. The reason the DJ age average is going up will be that the audience base is too. So migrating Radio 1 talent over to 6Music wouldn't work - the 6Music audience went there a decade ago because Radio 1 had nothing to offer them.

    The specialist programmes are great, but could and should be on Radios 1, 2 and 3 where they would receive more prominence. The rest of the schedule still seems to consist of (as someone noted upthread) very well-paid presenters playing old white guitar music, new music that sounds like old white guitar music, plus just enough unusual stuff to make the audience feel like they're people with eclectic taste, but not enough to make them turn off.

    This sounds like sneering, but to be honest, it's the kind of listener I am myself. If the licence fee was much bigger, I'd have no problem with it. But when the Beeb's cutting funding for comedy and drama, I think it's a luxury that can't really be afforded.

    That said, it won't be got rid of. It's a station for ageing indie kids - and as the last furore showed, there are a huge amount of those in the media and on Twitter. If the BBC is reduced to a skeleton staff of 20 people, one of those will still be Lauren Laverne playing Elbow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satchmo Distel View Post
    Radcliffe and Maconie had more freedom on Radio 2 and have become too predictable on 6. Radcliffe plugged the Morrissey live appearance like a fanboy, which he clearly is not in reality. Why not let them say what they truly feel? Their expertise is wasted if they just become pluggers of the same old same old.
    I actually think R&M are pretty critical of acts that are a staple of 6M's playlist. They'll often play a song and then make a genuine critical comment on it.

    Nobody working for a station is going to criticise or downplay an in-house event though, they'll be on a three line whip to talk it up in glowing terms.

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    Of course, OTF has revived this conversation over a couple of pages without mentioning Ravenscroft, whose shows surely tick the boxes that you are moaning that Keaveny and Lamacq don't tick.

    My biggest gripe is Keaveny now. The breakfast show is much better when he's on holiday. When he's on, it's James bloody Brown in the first 15 minutes and some drivel like George Michael as yet another ironic earworm, every fcuking day. I didn't campaign for 6music to stay so that he can play George Michael. That's Heart FM fodder. Keaveny's clearly auditioning to replace Chris Evans on Radio 2.

    I must admit, don't listen to daytime 6, but that's usually because I am on iPlayer catching up on the evening and weekend stuff.

    Coe - remains essential listening, and provides many good new bands with airtime.

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    Ravenscroft has to have the worst voice I’ve ever heard for a DJ. It’s like they set themselves the seemingly impossible task of finding someone with even more gratingly dull tones than Lamacq and miraculously succeeded.

    I can’t say I’ve noticed him having a more adventurous playlist than his colleagues but I tend to switch over pretty sharpish when he comes on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kryvbas Gripper Rih View Post
    Coe - remains essential listening, and provides many good new bands with airtime.
    Definitely. See my earlier post.

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    I only ever listen on demand, largely because of the time difference, but also a little I suppose because of a lack of appetite for landfill indie mixed with over-familiar standards, which is what I've heard on the rare occasions I've had given weekday daytime a try. But the weekend stuff I listen to on demand is largely brilliant: Gilles Peterson, Craig Charles, Jarvis Cocker and The Freak Zone are all wonderful in different ways. I don't much care for Don Letts or Marie-Anne Hobbes' presenting styles but the music they play is often top-notch. Nemone too, when I've dipped into her show. No doubt the station makes my life better.

    Ray de Galles:
    "Ravenscroft has to have the worst voice I’ve ever heard for a DJ."
    I only ever hear him when doing plugs for his show during the above-mentioned but to me he sounds like his dad to an extent that's quite poignant. Were you not a fan of the Blessed John's tones, either?

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    I loved Peel’s radio voice and manner (more than most of the music he played, like a lot of people I think) but his son’s delivery shares none of the positive qualities to my ear.

    There is an echo of his dad there sure, and it sometimes sounds like he’s trying to impersonate him (which is probably a horrible thing to say, I know). Overall it’s just an irritating drone to me, almost taunting you with the very slight similarity to his father.

    I never listen and think “Ah, there’s Peel’s son” but instead “Christ, he’s even more monotonous than Lamacq!”

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    I'll take Ravenscroft the Younger as he is - I don't mind a more nondescript (less-descript?) voice to book-end what's playing. The memory of DJs as 'characters' makes me shudder - all that 'Steve-Wright-and-his-Afternoon-Boys' nonsense. It's all about the music.

    And Tom R's Friday evening show tends to be where it's at - the recent daytime sit-ins were predictably diluted for that particular audience.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lucy Waterman View Post
    It's definitely a station for ageing indie kids. The reason the DJ age average is going up will be that the audience base is too. So migrating Radio 1 talent over to 6Music wouldn't work - the 6Music audience went there a decade ago because Radio 1 had nothing to offer them.

    The specialist programmes are great, but could and should be on Radios 1, 2 and 3 where they would receive more prominence. The rest of the schedule still seems to consist of (as someone noted upthread) very well-paid presenters playing old white guitar music, new music that sounds like old white guitar music, plus just enough unusual stuff to make the audience feel like they're people with eclectic taste, but not enough to make them turn off.

    This sounds like sneering, but to be honest, it's the kind of listener I am myself. If the licence fee was much bigger, I'd have no problem with it. But when the Beeb's cutting funding for comedy and drama, I think it's a luxury that can't really be afforded.

    That said, it won't be got rid of. It's a station for ageing indie kids - and as the last furore showed, there are a huge amount of those in the media and on Twitter. If the BBC is reduced to a skeleton staff of 20 people, one of those will still be Lauren Laverne playing Elbow.
    There's something in that, yes.

    Perhaps partially because I fit the description, I've always balked slightly at the (general) perception that those who enjoy certain types of guitar music are somehow suffering some kind of musical retardation, however: I mean, I also still enjoy old-skool rap (and its current equivalent), but would be surprised if that were viewed in the same way.

    As for 6Music's output being farmed out across the previously-existing stations, I cannot agree with that. The existence of the station has never been more essential than it is now - a shedload of new music would be lost forever under those conditions. (This, of course, isn't to say that the station couldn't do with a bit of renovation - as we've already discussed.) It seems pretty clear to me that, if they're paying the kind of elite wages that they are and yet are still making cutbacks in drama/comedy (which I can't say seems especially obvious at the moment), then the BBC still haven't sorted out their economics per se. 6Music itself doesn't require an enormous budget.

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    27 songs in two hours today , 11 from 1993 or earlier including such rarities as The Rolling Stones - Have You Seen Your Mother Baby, The Beatles – Revolution, T. Rex - Ride a White Swan, Donna Summer - I Feel Love, Warren Zevon - Werewolves Of London and James – Laid.

    A fairly credible 10 from 2017, a mix of new artists and 'returners' - Belle & Sebastian, MGMT, Joan as Policewoman, and, erm, Shed Seven.

    Remainder from 2002-2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jah Womble View Post

    It's all about the music.
    Why have DJs at all then? Just broadcast a non-stop playlist, perhaps with the occasional curator (because current DJs rarely stray from a station's overall playlist).

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    Indie can no longer get into even the bottom quarter of the charts so 6Music is an important source of exposure and presumably income for that sector. However, the large volume of old music on daytime suggests a lack of faith in current indie: i.e. it can't keep an audience without being carried by Smiths and Oasis classics.

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    Exactly - as with most radio networks, there's a fear of people tuning out if they aren't being spoonfed what they know. 6Music does this a lot less than most stations, and if it is such a 'necessary evil', then I can live with it if it's considered essential to keeping the station alive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray de Galles View Post
    Why have DJs at all then? Just broadcast a non-stop playlist, perhaps with the occasional curator (because current DJs rarely stray from a station's overall playlist).
    Well, because the presenters generally have some info to back up what is being played: news, tours, albums, etc. As useful as it can be, many listeners don't have time/facility to read the scrolling/online info, therefore back-announcements can also be of use, so there's that too.

    6Music is, I'd imagine, generally geared toward those who want to know about the music as well as hear it: personally I'd take that kind of presenting over a DJ dicking about with stupid voices and low-rent humour - or publicly moaning about how 'little' he's being paid - any day of the week.

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    It's a strange false binary to think the only choice is between a monotonous drone like Ravenscroft basically reading out press releases and Chris Moyles and his ilk's "zoo format". There's a wide range of styles in between.

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