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    Chernobyl - 23 years on...

    ...and still British farmers have restrictions on their land and livestock use.

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    Chernobyl - 23 years on...

    Would these "namby-pamby environmentalists" © Jim Henson / Sam the Eagle be the same people opposing the building of coal-fired power stations?

    Where, exactly, is it suggested we get our electricity from in the future if neither of these are available?

    Certainly shouldn't be from gas any more (not that gas should have been burnt for electricity generation in the first place) as that artifificially inflates the price for the consumer market.

    Wind farms, tidal barrages - all well and good - but it won't meet total demand - and that can only be met by a balance of different generation methods.

    And sorry kids, that means nuclear, fossil, and to piss off the nimby brigade, wind farms too.

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      Chernobyl - 23 years on...

      Guy Potger wrote:
      Where, exactly, is it suggested we get our electricity from in the future if neither of these are available?
      I believe the power of love, if you believe popular music, remains relatively untapped.

      Barring that, knock around the rural areas for a waterfall, on the scale of Niagara, that hasn't been noticed yet and harness it for hydro-electricity.

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        Chernobyl - 23 years on...

        Linked to years ago on here, and worth linking to again.

        http://www.kiddofspeed.com/chernobyl-revisited/

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          Chernobyl - 23 years on...

          Guy Potger wrote:
          Would these "namby-pamby environmentalists" © Jim Henson / Sam the Eagle be the same people opposing the building of coal-fired power stations?

          Where, exactly, is it suggested we get our electricity from in the future if neither of these are available?

          Certainly shouldn't be from gas any more (not that gas should have been burnt for electricity generation in the first place) as that artifificially inflates the price for the consumer market.

          Wind farms, tidal barrages - all well and good - but it won't meet total demand - and that can only be met by a balance of different generation methods.

          And sorry kids, that means nuclear, fossil, and to piss off the nimby brigade, wind farms too.
          How about reducing the hideous amount of fucking wasted energy spewed out into an uncaring world for a fucking start? Shops illuminating their wares at 3 a.m., Government buildings leaving all their lights blazing, etc. etc. etc. New generation solar panels can provide a shedload of electricty and water heating, geothermal where it's available, if Governments actually put their damn minds to it rather than issuing namby-pamby piecemeal policies they could get everything going properly. They managed to create the entire NHS, this should be a doddle by comparision.

          Nuclear fuel sources are also going to get more and more scarce and again it's relying on a fuel source from another country, just like oil. So once we've denuded the planet of those, what else can we use?

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            Chernobyl - 23 years on...

            There's a good book, Sustainable Energy - without the hot air, showing the maths of all this, available online, by David J. MacKay, a very plain-speaking Cambridge physicist.

            Here's the synopsis:
            http://www.inference.phy.cam.ac.uk/sustainable/book/tex/synopsis.pdf

            And the full book's available free at www.withouthotair.com

            Basically, coal and nuclear won't be good enough in the long-term, but to get enough energy from renewables we need to make radical changes to both the amount of energy we consume (reduce massively), and the amount of intrusion we're willing to allow (e.g. acceptance of truly massive wind farms).

            One of the more interesting options he looks at involves covering world deserts with solar panels.

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