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**sw2borshch** · 24-02-2009, 15:15

What's the roughest place in England?

That's a fair point Liquidator, when I lived in Brixton it struck me that the KFC didn't have a glass panel keeping the punters away from the staff unlike the one on the main street in the Boro. But yet back home people all had the idea that living in Brixton meant I was probably going to get shot.

**Rogin the Armchair fan** · 24-02-2009, 15:29

What's the roughest place in England?

KFC didn't have a glass panel keeping the punters away from the staff

or possibly vice-versa

**Spearmint Rhino** · 24-02-2009, 15:30

What's the roughest place in England?

The roughest part of the town I grew up in is Gibbonsdown - where my dad lives - although certain parts of Cardiff (Splott and bits of Ely) are even worse.

The roughest part of the city Mrs Rhino grew up in is the Scottswood (Scotswood?) estate. So you can add both of those to your map.

Liquidator's not wrong about Port Talbot, though.

**Gangster Octopus** · 24-02-2009, 15:32

What's the roughest place in England?

Spearmint Rhino wrote:

The roughest part of the town I grew up in is Gibbonsdown

If I'd come across such a name in the very early seventies, I'd've probably died...

**Er Liquidatore** · 24-02-2009, 15:33

What's the roughest place in England?

When I went to Cardiff people said, 'oooh stay away from Grangetown, it's all rough there and full of brown people.' I take it's just poor rather than rough, yes?

**sw2borshch** · 24-02-2009, 15:33

What's the roughest place in England?

Rogin - I did consider that joke, but as they are mainly students & the type who would struggle to get across the counter I didn't bother.

**sw2borshch** · 24-02-2009, 15:41

What's the roughest place in England?

We have a Grangetown that you would probably have to describe as both poor and rough.

**Houdi Elbow** · 24-02-2009, 17:48

What's the roughest place in England?

Does 'the Border' still exist in Middlesbrough? When my brother was at Teesside Poly the first advice he was given was 'don't go over the border'.

I never found Stoke-on-Trent all that bad, although that was years ago.

**radmonkey** · 24-02-2009, 18:08

What's the roughest place in England?

Do drive-by shootings exist in England?

**Tubby Isaacs** · 24-02-2009, 18:46

What's the roughest place in England?

Some interesting data here:
http://www.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/soti.html

Follow tabulated statistic link and play around.

Violent offences per 1000 of population.

Merthyr turns out to be a relative toytown, with only 21 per thousand. Had I said Gloucester without producing this chart, you'd have laughed at me. But it's much more violent than Merthyr with 27. Posh Cheltenham comes level with Merthyr. Gloucester's only 2 behind Manchester, despite having far fewer visitors.

Middlesbrough does very badly indeed (34), but I think the worst is Southampton 38.

**WOM** · 24-02-2009, 19:28

What's the roughest place in England?

Do drive-by shootings exist in England?

And, given the legendary difficulty of obtaining a license, is people driving without one a big problem?

**Gerontophile** · 24-02-2009, 19:33

What's the roughest place in England?

no

**Gerontophile** · 24-02-2009, 19:35

What's the roughest place in England?

sorry, that was wrapped around a quote from someone on page 1 of this thread.

Its only as rough as you make it, unless you walk into a certain area at a certain time knowing what you are doing.

If you do the same thing, and DONT know what you are doing, the roughest places tend to let you off.

**Gerontophile** · 24-02-2009, 19:38

What's the roughest place in England?

ganja wrote:

Is it safe to assume that where the roughest football fans are to be found, are among the roughest places in England, or?

sorry, that one. I will adjust my travel arrangements to suit...

**WOM** · 24-02-2009, 19:42

What's the roughest place in England?

Welcome back, gero. How was prison?

**Tubby Isaacs** · 24-02-2009, 20:19

What's the roughest place in England?

Clearly having a football team doesn't make a place violent. But I think we can be thankful Gloucester doesn't have a big one.

Someone said this sounds like an idea for a Danny Dyer show. Well, he's been to Gloucester, and the council put him on its website:

**Spearmint Rhino** · 24-02-2009, 23:11

What's the roughest place in England?

Gangster Octopus wrote:

Spearmint Rhino wrote:

The roughest part of the town I grew up in is Gibbonsdown

If I'd come across such a name in the very early seventies, I'd've probably died...

It really is a monkey's arse of a place, as well.

It's funny how grim places invariably do have grim names, and nice places have nice ones.

I mean, I heard of a London suburb called Strawberry Hill the other day, and I thought it can't possibly live up to the billing and is probably stabby and muggy and shooty and cracky in real life, but nope, it's affluent and leafy.

**beak** · 24-02-2009, 23:59

What's the roughest place in England?

SR: If you want to experience a true discrepancy between the name of a place, and the place itself, you might want to go to Flowery Field in Hyde at some point.

(SPOILERS): it looks like this:

**WOM** · 25-02-2009, 00:22

What's the roughest place in England?

How often do those yellow and white directional markers get smashed all to fuck? Or is there a big iron bar up the centre?

**Tubby Isaacs** · 25-02-2009, 00:33

What's the roughest place in England?

Strawberry Hill has a very early Gothic Revival house of the same name. Supposed to be well worth a look.

**Wyatt Earp** · 25-02-2009, 09:47

What's the roughest place in England?

Spearmint Rhino wrote:

It's funny how grim places invariably do have grim names, and nice places have nice ones.

I dunno about that, round us we've got Broadwater Farm vs Crouch End.

**Gangster Octopus** · 25-02-2009, 10:00

What's the roughest place in England?

WornOldMotorbike wrote:

How often do those yellow and white directional markers get smashed all to fuck?

My brother once hit one, 'cos he couldn't see it as it was covered in mud. Sadly, as he was on his bike, it hurt...

**beak** · 25-02-2009, 10:00

What's the roughest place in England?

WornOldMotorbike wrote:

How often do those yellow and white directional markers get smashed all to fuck? Or is there a big iron bar up the centre?

They're completely hollow and rubbery, so you can crash a car into them and there is a good chance they will plop back into place. The only damage you tend to see to them is them either getting ripped out at the root, or buckled slightly.

That is what people in the biz call "passive safety", not-dying-in-a-car-crash fans.

**Gangster Octopus** · 25-02-2009, 10:01

What's the roughest place in England?

Ha, good cross...

**Wyatt Earp** · 25-02-2009, 10:05

What's the roughest place in England?

"And on the roads, vicious gangs of Keep Left signs."

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