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    So, the Catholic Church, then...

    A bunch of AIDS-assisting, paedophilia-hiding, Nazi-sheltering reactionaries, or what?

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    So, the Catholic Church, then...

    What are all those icons under your name, SR?!

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      #3
      So, the Catholic Church, then...

      I think I may buy an umbrella

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        #4
        So, the Catholic Church, then...

        they tell you his profile and interests (some of them anyway

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          #5
          So, the Catholic Church, then...

          What does "although no boardcode buttons are shown, they are still useable" mean?

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            #6
            So, the Catholic Church, then...

            I guess it means that bold, italic, image and quote tags still work even though there aren't any buttons to make using them easier.

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              #7
              So, the Catholic Church, then...

              It means that if you remember the codes for stuff like bold text you can use them in the quick reply box and they will work.

              If you don't remember them, then you can use the "reply" box and get the actual buttons.

              Essentially, the "reply" box has the basic functionality of the "full reply form" on the old board (including "preview post").

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                #8
                So, the Catholic Church, then...

                Oooh, this is going to be more difficult to hide at work, isn't it?

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                  #9
                  So, the Catholic Church, then...

                  So, the codes mean actually typing things like [/url] in yourself? Crumbs, did anyone ever do that?

                  The profile button for 'Which actor would play you...' looks like it's listing your Favourite actor, a minor quibble.

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                    #10
                    So, the Catholic Church, then...

                    SR - you missed out 'blood-drinking'.

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                      #11
                      So, the Catholic Church, then...

                      All the icons are very Catholic though. That should please SR.

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                        #12
                        So, the Catholic Church, then...

                        Icons are more your Orthodox lot, aren't they?

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                          #13
                          Pennsylvania

                          The Pennsylvania Supreme Court on Tuesday released a sweeping grand jury report on sex abuse in the Catholic Church, listing more than 300 accused clergy and detailing a “systematic” coverup effort by church leaders over 70 years.

                          State Attorney General Josh Shapiro said at a news conference Tuesday that more than 1,000 child victims were identified in the report, but the grand jury believes there are more.
                          So, in the Church I grew up in (and got out of as soon as I could), it was extremely common for priests (and affiliated lay people) to suggest that young Catholic men who did not believe that they had a vocation should instead seriously consider becoming a cop, prosecutor or judge. The same was true of Catholic colleges and their affiliated law schools (which have traditionally produced disproportionate numbers of prosecutors and judges).

                          Was this part of a conscious plan to do everything possible to avoid having to face responsibility for their actions, or just a fateful coincidence?

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                            #14
                            Surely American Catholicism is extensively culturally coloured by Italy and Ireland, the Cruyff and Van Gaal of clientelism.

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                              #15
                              Indeed. And like the Church in Ireland and Italy, the US Church has always been a cesspool of inequity.

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                                #16
                                Weirdly the US Church is very clienteleist, but also much more liberal than the Irish version. There's a longstanding trope that the liberal Irish priests got shipped out to America. I can't speak to Italy's, although Italian-American priests tend to be much more conservative than Irish-American ones, who have a certain thumbing of the nose towards authority that feels, er, from the old country.

                                Ursus's conspiracy theory is interesting, the push to join law enforcement/the justice system was still a thing when I was a young lad (giggling thinking of Snake from the Simpsons now). The one thing that gives me some doubt is I feel like someone would have said something by now. Many of the successful prosecutions have been in the Northeast, where you'll struggle to find a prosecutor's office without a Catholic in it, and so if the Church was leaning on you then surely they'd have screwed up and leaned on a militant atheist who would be happy to blab.

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                                  #17
                                  While I generally agree with your comparison of Irish and Italian priests in the US, our parish was "lucky" enough to get a couple of fresh off the boat Irishmen who couldn't give a sermon without demonising abortion and saw organising "Right to Life" demonstrations as at least as essential to their job as visiting the sick.

                                  I'm not sure that I really believe my hypothesis, but it also doesn't require that the recruitment targets were ever aware of it. There were plenty of clear social and economic benefits to going into one of those fields that could be (and certainly were) stressed both to kids and their parents.

                                  You do touch on one aspect of the whole story that is important, which is that most/all of the most important investigations and prosecutions have been led by Catholics who have been motivated in part by an extremely strong sense of personal betrayal. I think that reflects the fact that the Church's grip, even on the most devout, is not at all what it was in the immediate post-WWII period.

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                                    #18
                                    Our Irish priests were a sport-and-women-loving West Corkman and an older duffer from Roscommon who apparently was pro-women in the priesthood, is an est devotee, and runs interfaith workships in the North of Ireland. My dad used to dress up as a nun for Halloween and come to our school. Fr Healy (the Corkman) thought it was funny.

                                    This almost certainly explains my laissez-faire "I'm a cultural Catholic" attitude to the Church.

                                    As far as my family is concerned, a fair bit of the personal animus towards the Church's coverup is driven by something comparable to shande. This is not in the Beatitudes.

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                                      #19
                                      Yeah, that would've been a paddlin' chez nous

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                                        #20
                                        Interesting to see how the first life of this thread coincided with a previous revamp of the boards – in fact, it only describes that revamp, as people discover the then-new functionality in (retrospectively) rather helpful blow-by-blow descriptive fashion, as there's nothing bar SR's OP really even remotely to do with the Catholic Church.

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                                          #21
                                          That's one of the reasons why I picked it (the other related threads also seemed to be overly specific)

                                          It was definitely SR's first thread on the "new" board (and one of the first handful overall) and very much reflective of his personality on here.

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                                            #22
                                            There's just not a lot of quality control in the RCC, is there? They need to hire some consultants.

                                            A friend of mine who went to Catholic school said she was taught by some bitter old crone that Presbyterians were as bad as child pornographers. She married a Presbyterian pastor.

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                                              #23
                                              Well given that anti-catholicism was one of the unwritten founding principles of the United States, I think it's only sensible that a church in that position would encourage their flock to take over the levers of state violence and punishment as much as they could. Biggest gang in the City, and what not. Even the Klan knew that the police knew who they were, and could come to their house and kill them with impunity. But encouraging people to systematically take over the nuts and bolts of power is simply what the Catholic Church was advocating in Ireland before independence, to the extent that by independence, the church had de facto control of education and healthcare, a huge chunk of the civil service, and Most of the RIC. Why would they see the US as any different?

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                                                #24
                                                Poor people, which Irish and Italian immigrants usually were, saw the value in a stable civil service job with a pension, etc. Perhaps they also had more respect for power, establishment, and authority than protestants, on average.

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                                                  #25
                                                  This seems like a good thread to point out, unless they have already been mentioned elsewhere, that not only has there been more abuse revealed at Catholic schools in England but, of course, for balance, the Anglicans are increasingly being shown to have covered up abuse cases involving Jeremy Dowling and Peter Ball. While it sometimes appears that these cases are far away and historical, one of my pupils this year actually took the entrance exam for Downside but his parents decided against it (no doubt, at the time, more down to the 33,000pa fees rather than these revelations). Both schools still haven't put in adequate child protection structures.

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