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    Antisemitism and contemporary politics

    I wanted to set up a thread entitled "Antisemitism and contemporary politics" but i pressed "enter" by accident

    I think that Corbyn, the far right in Europe, the Israel palestine thread ae none of them the approproate place.

    This article by Barnaby Raine is probably a good place to start


    I'm also interested in what people's awareness of how present antisemitism is- I've encountered it, but people usually assume I'm Jewish so they are probably aware of what they're saying to me. what people say about jews is probably more relevant than what they say to them.
    Last edited by Nefertiti2; 29-07-2018, 11:16.

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    I did a panel interview yesterday on local Black Country Radio, along with Labour Councillor John M.

    The question was similar to yours but concentrating on the Labour Party. I suggested 3 reasons why the story has endured

    a) poor leadership from Corbyn

    b) poor judgement by his internal opponents

    c) effective pro-Israeli government lobby in the Tory-backing media

    I described the Jewish Chronicle as a "Previously respectable newspaper"...

    My interest in Israel/ Palestine is long-term since living there as a child (my parents worked for the British Consulate to Palestine in Jerusalem).

    My current contact with the Jewish Community in Britain is actually frequent but brief- when visiting London I usually arrive in Golders Green which has a long-established Orthodox community.

    I don't use terms like Zionism but may drop in Kosher if only to mean 'valid'. As a child over there in the late 60s I went to a Convent infant school then Anglican primary. My mother was friendly with the nuns who ran a cafe serving excellent Mitteleuropeen schnitzels, strudeln and gnocchi

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      #3
      Thanks for that piece, Nef

      I don't encounter antisemitism "in real life", not sure the last time I heard anyone voice anything that I would regard as antisemitic. Online it's a different story. Involved in campaigns and discussions about Palestinian human rights I fairly often encounter anti semitism (because it's online and largely anonymous I couldn't say which countries these anti semites live in. At a guess I'd say it varies and is largely across the board. I've left a number of forums and Facebook groups over this.

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        #4
        Would love to listen to it, Duncan, if it's available.

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          #5
          Nef: follow links on the website as below

          Listen Live > Listen Again > Black Country Week

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            #6
            Thanks do you know how far in- there's 2 hours of Black Country week....

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              #7
              AS question about 30 minutes in

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                #8
                Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                ... but people usually assume I'm Jewish so they are probably aware of what they're saying to me.
                I'm curious. Why would people assume you're Jewish?
                Last edited by Defensive minded; 29-07-2018, 15:46. Reason: grammar

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                  #9
                  I encounter anti-Jewish bigotry (don't like the word antismeitism, as it is inaccurate) online in the form of conspiracy theories in comment sections and in real life from people with a Muslim background. I've heard "Jew" used several times as an insult between young people from that demographic segment.

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                    #10
                    Thanks for sharing Dunc - that was a decent listen. The Labour councillor was very careful with his words - he's probably bricking it in case he says something off-message.

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                      #11
                      Yes interesting - how free a hand you were given especially when talking about the Israel lobby. Don't think you would be able to say that on the Today programme. But thoughtful and considered,

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                        #12
                        Originally posted by Defensive minded View Post
                        I'm curious. Why would people assume you're Jewish?
                        Name. Some aspects of stereotypical physiognomy,

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                          #13
                          Has sloper buggered off?

                          He did once accuse me of being a racist because I pointed out that there's a wider definition of the folks of the Levant are Semitic.

                          He seemed to think that only Jews were entitled to use the word.

                          (and the fact there's not a single member of the IDF that's not a crimmo murdering pirate after they killed Turkish civilians on the High Seas)

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                            #14
                            I've found that the combination of having a Slavic last name (though with Germanicised spelling) and being from New York is enough for a surprising number of people outside of the five boroughs to assume that I am Jewish.

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                              #15
                              "Jew" used to be my nickname among Darlo fans back in the 80s from people who didn't know me.

                              (Dark haired - how I wish that were still true - squat, and with a big nose)

                              Still. Better than the nickname I had at school in the 60s and 70s.

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                                #16
                                Thanks for kind words above. John M is an experienced local cllr. Looks like his colleague local MP Ian Austin may go walkabout soon- seems to be daring both Momentum and the Whips to have a go

                                My brief is stick to what you know, avoid libel and conspiracy and keep it simple

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                                  #17
                                  Anti-semitism means prejudice against Jews.
                                  Hostility and prejudice directed against Jewish people; (also) the theory, action, or practice resulting from this.
                                  OED

                                  The fact that in 19th century racial theories other ethnicities were also called "semitic" is a) irrelevant b) usually used by racists to muddy the water. Can we put this cheap gotcha to one side?
                                  Last edited by Nefertiti2; 29-07-2018, 18:41.

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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Nefertiti2 View Post
                                    Name. Some aspects of stereotypical physiognomy,
                                    As a kid I lived in an area of Leeds where about a quarter of the children at our school were Jewish. The only common feature they shared was that they all had black hair.

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                                      #19
                                      I find it unfortunate that so many people identify as Jews (or Muslims) based on their heritage, but are at best "cultural" Jews (Muslims). In a society in which we should be striving to treat people as individuals, not as members of groups, I can't see any good coming out of people putting themselves in "racial" brackets.

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                                        #20
                                        eh?

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                                          #21
                                          Well Judaism is a religion. And the followers of this religion are Jews. But there are plenty of people who are not followers of Judaism, but still call themselves Jews, based on their heritage. I see parallels to Islam in this respect.

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                                            #22
                                            Other people and govts will still classify such people as Jews (or Muslims), aposatate, Marrano or whatever.

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                                              #23
                                              You think the Orban types only hate on those who follow kosher?

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                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by Defensive minded View Post
                                                Well Judaism is a religion. And the followers of this religion are Jews. But there are plenty of people who are not followers of Judaism, but still call themselves Jews, based on their heritage. I see parallels to Islam in this respect.
                                                You can be one culturally, and one devout never missing a day in the synagogue or any of the rituals like Bar mitzvah. Nothing strange with that. It's a cultural identity.
                                                Just like it isn't strange a lot of atheists celebrate Christmas and Easter and other very Christian days.

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                                                  #25
                                                  Well, a lot of people decorate a tree and exchange gifts at midwinter, but those are pagan rituals for the solstice appropriated by Christians. Same's true of Easter which is basically the spring festival. I once had a Christian try and claim that the chocolate egg symbolised Christ's tomb. I think Occam's razor suggests it symbolises an egg myself.

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