The sundown towns were generally small enough so as to be able to function without a Black population (many of them would have had restrictive covenants prohibiting sales to Black people from the outset), while at the same time "needing" a source of exploitable menial and household labour. In some cases, they would have primarily Black settlements just beyond their municipal boundaries that were effectively part of the town or city itself, but importantly not part of it for voting purposes or with regard to the provision of any public services.
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Following Ursus link. led me to this article regarding the Coup of Wilmington in 1898. I would urge anyone with a passing interest of real American history to have a read.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/histo...lection-trump/
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An absolutely essential incident to any real understanding of our history and one that was buried even deeper than Tulsa until recently.
I have a younger (white) colleague who grew up in Wilmington and was completely unaware of its existence until after he graduated from law school.Last edited by ursus arctos; 02-06-2021, 19:08.
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostAn absolutely essential incident to any real understanding of our history and one that was buried even deeper than Tulsa until recently.
I have a younger (white) colleague who grew up in Wilmington and was completely unaware of its existence until after he graduated from law school.
A 19th century version of a twitter Spat.
The Democratic Party manifesto of 1898 that read like an opus to manifest destiny.
I learned about Wilmington by chance in 2002, I went to a nightclub in Philly with jason voorhees and his now wife and made the acquaintance of a lady from Wilmington. I thought I would go online and read up on her town so I could impress her with my worldly knowledge.
I was shocked with what I had read, I kept making excuses when she invited me over and we eventually lost touch when she realised I was being long.Last edited by Tactical Genius; 02-06-2021, 19:58.
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By chance, just in the middle of reading Wilmington's Lie by David Zucchino, on the coup of 1898. It's very good if you want more depth on this story.
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Originally posted by ursus arctos View PostThe sundown towns were generally small enough so as to be able to function without a Black population (many of them would have had restrictive covenants prohibiting sales to Black people from the outset), while at the same time "needing" a source of exploitable menial and household labour. In some cases, they would have primarily Black settlements just beyond their municipal boundaries that were effectively part of the town or city itself, but importantly not part of it for voting purposes or with regard to the provision of any public services.Last edited by Satchmo Distel; 03-06-2021, 10:26.
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Originally posted by Sporting View Post
I think the "most" is unfair, unless you can bsck it up.
Look at the voting records in any US election. Politicians who publicly mirror and support such sentiments (to various degrees) tend to get a majority of the white vote.
It was the mass mobilisation of the non-white vote that allowed Biden to scrape through and since then around 1/3 of the states have passed voting laws that disproportionately affect non-white people's ability to vote.
Also, the angry people who from a cross section of white society that stormed the capitol 6 months ago, exactly how many have been convicted?
Answer 1 and as you would expect, no prison time.
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/06/23/u...entencing.html
Carlson is one of the biggest pundits on the biggest news channel in America is not by accident. It is because his message resonates with a majority of the people who watch him and the people who watch him are overwhelmingly white.
Is that enough backing up?
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I'm inclined to agree with TG here. If America is anything like Britain then a lot of white people agree with this sort of shit even if they won't say it out loud. Look at the Brexit vote, the election success of UKIP/Brexit Party, particularly in European elections. Look at the increased support for the Tories despite their increasingly discriminatory policies.
Purely anecdotal, I work in an all male and virtually all white workplace, and the conversations you overhear when people think they are in a safe space are very telling.
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Originally posted by Sean of the Shed View PostI'm inclined to agree with TG here. If America is anything like Britain then a lot of white people agree with this sort of shit even if they won't say it out loud. Look at the Brexit vote, the election success of UKIP/Brexit Party, particularly in European elections. Look at the increased support for the Tories despite their increasingly discriminatory policies.
Purely anecdotal, I work in an all male and virtually all white workplace, and the conversations you overhear when people think they are in a safe space are very telling.
Sporting, white people like you are actually a minority and a much smaller one that you could imagine.
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Originally posted by San Bernardhinault View PostThis is informative on that subject. From 2016 rather than 2020, but it still tells you an awful lot...
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Well, given that the popular vote is irrelevant for as long as we have the Electoral College, differences in population among states don't really matter to the outcome,
That said, the exit poll data is depressingly clear.
there was a modest decline in Republican support in a key Trump base: white men without college educations. This group showed a reduced Republican advantage from 48% to a still sizeable 42% between 2016 and 2020.
Yet among white voters with college educations, there were notable shifts in Biden’s direction. White male college graduates reduced their support for Trump from 14% to 3%. At the same time, white female college graduates boosted their Democratic support from 7% to 9% nationally
https://www.brookings.edu/research/2...itional-bases/
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I was worried that my answer was going to drift into "not all white people" territory. It's basically not really relevant. White people, and particularly white men, seem in their majority to be entirely happy to vote for the most racist party*.
* and that's while acknowledging TG's regular point that the Democratic Party has a long track record (and not just in the distant past) of championing their own racist policies.
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Some more data on race and the 2020 Presidential election. Conclusion remains unchanged.
https://twitter.com/pewresearch/status/1410343900401831942
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Biden also made gains among women - just less of a gain. The data suggests to me more like some regular Republican voting women voted for third party candidates in 2016 or stayed home, but like so many political partisans these days drifted back to the fold.
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